1 00:00:07,020 --> 00:00:14,490 foreign 2 00:00:14,500 --> 00:00:39,530 [Music] 3 00:01:13,310 --> 00:00:41,550 thank you 4 00:01:13,320 --> 00:01:19,680 foreign 5 00:01:19,690 --> 00:02:10,690 [Music] 6 00:02:17,210 --> 00:02:14,750 greetings and salutations friends uh old 7 00:02:20,690 --> 00:02:17,220 friends and hopefully some new friends 8 00:02:23,570 --> 00:02:20,700 this evening uh and we welcome all of 9 00:02:25,550 --> 00:02:23,580 you tonight uh is kind of a special 10 00:02:27,410 --> 00:02:25,560 event at least it is for me 11 00:02:29,089 --> 00:02:27,420 um because tonight I'm gonna get to talk 12 00:02:32,570 --> 00:02:29,099 to somebody that I have been following 13 00:02:35,330 --> 00:02:32,580 for quite some time and we you he and I 14 00:02:37,490 --> 00:02:35,340 have never spoken uh well no we did one 15 00:02:39,770 --> 00:02:37,500 time on on Erica Luke's show for a 16 00:02:43,190 --> 00:02:39,780 little bit on a stream but we've never 17 00:02:45,710 --> 00:02:43,200 had a real one-on-one conversation and 18 00:02:48,050 --> 00:02:45,720 you guys know how I am I I like that 19 00:02:50,210 --> 00:02:48,060 this show gives me a passport into some 20 00:02:53,690 --> 00:02:50,220 of the most interesting people on planet 21 00:02:56,990 --> 00:02:53,700 Earth really and so I get to use this 22 00:02:59,690 --> 00:02:57,000 show to get that access and have these 23 00:03:01,790 --> 00:02:59,700 amazing interesting conversations and 24 00:03:06,830 --> 00:03:01,800 what can I tell you about Jack Brewer Mr 25 00:03:10,130 --> 00:03:06,840 Brewer is a a real researcher and I say 26 00:03:12,770 --> 00:03:10,140 that uh sort of out of respect because 27 00:03:17,270 --> 00:03:12,780 it's seems to me that there is a lack of 28 00:03:18,770 --> 00:03:17,280 real research lately and you've all 29 00:03:21,530 --> 00:03:18,780 heard me talk about right click 30 00:03:23,750 --> 00:03:21,540 researchers that is people who if you 31 00:03:24,710 --> 00:03:23,760 cannot find it through Google they just 32 00:03:26,170 --> 00:03:24,720 don't 33 00:03:29,089 --> 00:03:26,180 there seems to be a lack of 34 00:03:32,869 --> 00:03:29,099 investigative journalism lately the kind 35 00:03:35,449 --> 00:03:32,879 of thing that Mr Brewer excels at he is 36 00:03:38,869 --> 00:03:35,459 uh you know filing foyers and making 37 00:03:41,509 --> 00:03:38,879 phone calls and firing off emails asking 38 00:03:43,970 --> 00:03:41,519 a lot of people a lot of questions that 39 00:03:46,430 --> 00:03:43,980 sometimes make people uncomfortable and 40 00:03:49,190 --> 00:03:46,440 that is why I respect him as an author 41 00:03:51,229 --> 00:03:49,200 and researcher and sort of journalist 42 00:03:52,509 --> 00:03:51,239 I've been following his expanding 43 00:03:56,449 --> 00:03:52,519 Frontiers 44 00:03:59,410 --> 00:03:56,459 research blog for some time and he has 45 00:04:02,509 --> 00:03:59,420 done some amazing investigative stories 46 00:04:06,229 --> 00:04:02,519 not just on conspiracy land stories but 47 00:04:09,589 --> 00:04:06,239 he also covers the government and a lot 48 00:04:12,530 --> 00:04:09,599 of different government organizations he 49 00:04:14,990 --> 00:04:12,540 is sort of a government Watchdog and he 50 00:04:17,629 --> 00:04:15,000 also is a published author I have his 51 00:04:21,349 --> 00:04:17,639 book on nycap which is an interesting 52 00:04:23,930 --> 00:04:21,359 story essentially of intelligence the 53 00:04:29,270 --> 00:04:23,940 intelligence community's infiltration 54 00:04:32,450 --> 00:04:29,280 into to uh UFO land and I I thought what 55 00:04:35,150 --> 00:04:32,460 an amazing story that was and we are 56 00:04:39,469 --> 00:04:35,160 seeing an incredible amount of parallels 57 00:04:41,210 --> 00:04:39,479 to that story now it's like all of this 58 00:04:43,610 --> 00:04:41,220 has happened before and it will all 59 00:04:45,290 --> 00:04:43,620 happen again you've heard me talk about 60 00:04:47,390 --> 00:04:45,300 the recent intelligence Community 61 00:04:49,430 --> 00:04:47,400 infiltration into the UFO Community 62 00:04:52,010 --> 00:04:49,440 we've got information Warfare 63 00:04:55,129 --> 00:04:52,020 Specialists coming into the from the 64 00:04:57,409 --> 00:04:55,139 government or former government coming 65 00:05:00,770 --> 00:04:57,419 into the UFO Community telling fantastic 66 00:05:03,710 --> 00:05:00,780 stories of aliens and UFOs and all kinds 67 00:05:06,469 --> 00:05:03,720 of things and we've also got CIA agents 68 00:05:08,210 --> 00:05:06,479 and Dia agents and all manner of 69 00:05:10,610 --> 00:05:08,220 alphabet soup intelligence people 70 00:05:13,790 --> 00:05:10,620 suddenly front and center in the UFO 71 00:05:16,490 --> 00:05:13,800 Community grabbing the spotlight and I 72 00:05:18,590 --> 00:05:16,500 believe controlling the narrative so 73 00:05:21,230 --> 00:05:18,600 here to help us break it break all of 74 00:05:22,909 --> 00:05:21,240 this down and also he had a recent piece 75 00:05:25,430 --> 00:05:22,919 on Skinwalker Ranch that was just 76 00:05:28,670 --> 00:05:25,440 incredible to see some of the financial 77 00:05:30,050 --> 00:05:28,680 dealings behind that television show I 78 00:05:33,409 --> 00:05:30,060 love it when 79 00:05:35,930 --> 00:05:33,419 um someone like Mr Brewer can use his 80 00:05:38,870 --> 00:05:35,940 skills to peel back the layers of a 81 00:05:41,210 --> 00:05:38,880 story and really bring it to us so 82 00:05:46,490 --> 00:05:41,220 joining us today Mr Jack Brewer welcome 83 00:05:50,450 --> 00:05:48,409 thank you yeah I wanted you to have you 84 00:05:53,689 --> 00:05:50,460 here for quite some time 85 00:05:56,150 --> 00:05:53,699 such a flattering introduction maybe I 86 00:05:59,510 --> 00:05:56,160 should just quit while I'm ahead and 87 00:06:03,230 --> 00:06:01,490 it's well deserved and you know you're 88 00:06:06,110 --> 00:06:03,240 one of those people who like I just 89 00:06:08,749 --> 00:06:06,120 admired from afar I read the blog and 90 00:06:11,570 --> 00:06:08,759 all the stories that you do and I hear 91 00:06:13,249 --> 00:06:11,580 you on Eric with Erica Luke's and but 92 00:06:15,590 --> 00:06:13,259 you know one thing I don't think that 93 00:06:18,830 --> 00:06:15,600 I've ever heard you talk about and I ask 94 00:06:21,230 --> 00:06:18,840 everybody this the first time in is what 95 00:06:23,689 --> 00:06:21,240 is it that got you sort of down the 96 00:06:26,270 --> 00:06:23,699 rabbit hole with UFOs and aliens and 97 00:06:28,909 --> 00:06:26,280 conspiracy land what what started you 98 00:06:32,390 --> 00:06:28,919 off in this when was it and then can you 99 00:06:37,610 --> 00:06:32,400 tell us more about your organization 100 00:06:41,990 --> 00:06:37,620 sure I I was always interested in UFOs 101 00:06:45,409 --> 00:06:42,000 and Fringe topics paranormal topics 102 00:06:49,510 --> 00:06:45,419 um I'm almost 60 years old so that puts 103 00:06:54,230 --> 00:06:49,520 me as a childhood watching the major 104 00:06:57,890 --> 00:06:54,240 networks in the 70s and uh there there 105 00:07:00,950 --> 00:06:57,900 were paranormal shows about ESP and in 106 00:07:02,809 --> 00:07:00,960 search of and uh these different yeah 107 00:07:05,330 --> 00:07:02,819 Leonard Nimoy I've watched those reruns 108 00:07:08,930 --> 00:07:05,340 yeah yeah yeah 109 00:07:13,189 --> 00:07:08,940 um and while it may and and it is worse 110 00:07:15,890 --> 00:07:13,199 lately where there there's there's more 111 00:07:19,670 --> 00:07:15,900 cable networks now you know infinitely 112 00:07:22,129 --> 00:07:19,680 more and we're inundated with bad 113 00:07:26,870 --> 00:07:22,139 research and 114 00:07:29,210 --> 00:07:26,880 truth these days but used to be uh you 115 00:07:31,730 --> 00:07:29,220 you you you got it a little less 116 00:07:36,110 --> 00:07:31,740 frequently but that didn't make it any 117 00:07:39,050 --> 00:07:36,120 less believable and entertaining and uh 118 00:07:44,330 --> 00:07:39,060 you you'd see the stars that you like 119 00:07:48,490 --> 00:07:44,340 and and admire and these uh shows you 120 00:07:52,430 --> 00:07:48,500 know week to week or uh narrating 121 00:07:54,950 --> 00:07:52,440 documentaries and I I'd order you know 122 00:07:58,370 --> 00:07:54,960 as I think many of your listeners and 123 00:08:00,950 --> 00:07:58,380 viewers I'd order paranormal books at 124 00:08:04,610 --> 00:08:00,960 the Book Fairs at school and things like 125 00:08:05,749 --> 00:08:04,620 that so I was always interested in it 126 00:08:07,730 --> 00:08:05,759 and 127 00:08:11,689 --> 00:08:07,740 uh 128 00:08:15,710 --> 00:08:11,699 in in the last 20 years or so last 20 to 129 00:08:18,369 --> 00:08:15,720 30 years I got more involved and was 130 00:08:22,490 --> 00:08:18,379 interested enough to start asking 131 00:08:25,670 --> 00:08:22,500 specific people questions and attending 132 00:08:28,969 --> 00:08:25,680 UFO conferences and 133 00:08:32,930 --> 00:08:28,979 it was concerning how these stories 134 00:08:36,230 --> 00:08:32,940 would fall apart when yeah we see that a 135 00:08:38,990 --> 00:08:36,240 lot lately right yeah when when I would 136 00:08:42,829 --> 00:08:39,000 approach people like Bud Hopkins with 137 00:08:45,130 --> 00:08:42,839 specific questions that from seeing him 138 00:08:48,829 --> 00:08:45,140 on television and from reading his 139 00:08:51,590 --> 00:08:48,839 paperbacks one would have had the 140 00:08:55,130 --> 00:08:51,600 impression he would be eager to discuss 141 00:08:58,610 --> 00:08:55,140 things and and you know yeah so yeah 142 00:09:02,930 --> 00:08:58,620 everything's right yeah yeah he was a 143 00:09:06,230 --> 00:09:02,940 charismatic man as many of them are that 144 00:09:09,889 --> 00:09:06,240 that could command an audience and and 145 00:09:12,710 --> 00:09:09,899 he he could influence people and most 146 00:09:14,930 --> 00:09:12,720 importantly a lot of these people can 147 00:09:16,910 --> 00:09:14,940 present really good stories and 148 00:09:19,850 --> 00:09:16,920 paperback books 149 00:09:23,570 --> 00:09:19,860 and I was Finding when I approached them 150 00:09:26,990 --> 00:09:23,580 that the stories were often not as solid 151 00:09:29,870 --> 00:09:27,000 and so then I started feeling like I had 152 00:09:33,350 --> 00:09:29,880 some things to add to the subject and 153 00:09:36,730 --> 00:09:33,360 started right absolutely yeah yeah I 154 00:09:42,170 --> 00:09:36,740 started riding the UFO Trail blog in 155 00:09:42,889 --> 00:09:42,180 2010 and then that led to the two books 156 00:09:45,650 --> 00:09:42,899 um 157 00:09:47,090 --> 00:09:45,660 it's pretty much how I yeah I have to 158 00:09:48,590 --> 00:09:47,100 get the I have to get the internet 159 00:09:51,170 --> 00:09:48,600 tonight 160 00:09:53,150 --> 00:09:51,180 yeah and then you know maybe you had the 161 00:09:55,250 --> 00:09:53,160 same maybe you had the same feeling that 162 00:09:57,949 --> 00:09:55,260 I did it you know like I started 163 00:10:01,430 --> 00:09:57,959 investigating some of these people and 164 00:10:03,530 --> 00:10:01,440 their claims and you know I was kind of 165 00:10:05,930 --> 00:10:03,540 like horrified like why are these people 166 00:10:07,910 --> 00:10:05,940 appearing at UFO conferences and nobody 167 00:10:10,430 --> 00:10:07,920 fact checked their military background 168 00:10:12,050 --> 00:10:10,440 or their or their job history and 169 00:10:13,550 --> 00:10:12,060 they're saying these things and it's 170 00:10:15,590 --> 00:10:13,560 really not true 171 00:10:17,630 --> 00:10:15,600 you know it was kind of horrified that 172 00:10:20,090 --> 00:10:17,640 nobody was doing it and then I I kind of 173 00:10:22,370 --> 00:10:20,100 felt like I have to do something about 174 00:10:24,650 --> 00:10:22,380 this like I have to like you said 175 00:10:26,630 --> 00:10:24,660 contribute and my contribution is if 176 00:10:28,550 --> 00:10:26,640 nobody else is going to fact check some 177 00:10:30,710 --> 00:10:28,560 of these people I'm gonna fact check 178 00:10:34,130 --> 00:10:30,720 what they say and we'll see what pans 179 00:10:36,110 --> 00:10:34,140 out and it has been I can't well it's 180 00:10:38,150 --> 00:10:36,120 like entertaining to me to fact check 181 00:10:40,910 --> 00:10:38,160 people like Stephen Greer when he says 182 00:10:43,250 --> 00:10:40,920 ridiculous things like you know and Mr 183 00:10:46,670 --> 00:10:43,260 Brewer I do funny things like go to the 184 00:10:49,190 --> 00:10:46,680 he Mr Greer said that he briefed every 185 00:10:51,290 --> 00:10:49,200 city in UF U.S president since Ronald 186 00:10:53,810 --> 00:10:51,300 Reagan so we went to all the libraries 187 00:10:55,670 --> 00:10:53,820 no mention of Stephen Greer you know 188 00:10:58,610 --> 00:10:55,680 we've reached out to the Press offices 189 00:11:00,889 --> 00:10:58,620 of people no they never heard of them 190 00:11:02,449 --> 00:11:00,899 they didn't get a br you know and I and 191 00:11:05,090 --> 00:11:02,459 I just think it's funny that there's 192 00:11:07,069 --> 00:11:05,100 sort of this delusional world where we 193 00:11:09,110 --> 00:11:07,079 just play along everybody just plays 194 00:11:12,730 --> 00:11:09,120 along and people like you are kind of 195 00:11:15,190 --> 00:11:12,740 going no I'm not playing along you know 196 00:11:18,350 --> 00:11:15,200 yeah yeah the the 197 00:11:23,470 --> 00:11:18,360 intelligence Community plays a big role 198 00:11:26,269 --> 00:11:23,480 uh another thing I was Finding is 199 00:11:29,350 --> 00:11:26,279 sometimes the witnesses and the 200 00:11:33,110 --> 00:11:29,360 self-described experiencers 201 00:11:37,790 --> 00:11:33,120 will will be a little 202 00:11:40,430 --> 00:11:37,800 cautious or reluctant about this Fame 203 00:11:43,009 --> 00:11:40,440 they're getting at UFO conferences and 204 00:11:46,550 --> 00:11:43,019 things and I was Finding like in the 205 00:11:49,509 --> 00:11:46,560 1990s and the early 2000s when I was 206 00:11:53,810 --> 00:11:49,519 looking into this that 207 00:11:55,389 --> 00:11:53,820 they really were were persuaded in a lot 208 00:12:01,430 --> 00:11:55,399 of circumstances 209 00:12:03,530 --> 00:12:01,440 to uh lay it on thick so to speak I like 210 00:12:07,430 --> 00:12:03,540 that I like that way of saying it yeah 211 00:12:10,130 --> 00:12:07,440 and it was typical to find people that 212 00:12:11,990 --> 00:12:10,140 that when you gain their confidence and 213 00:12:14,750 --> 00:12:12,000 they didn't think they're going to end 214 00:12:18,230 --> 00:12:14,760 up in a blog post or a book or something 215 00:12:21,530 --> 00:12:18,240 like they don't want the hassle 216 00:12:22,550 --> 00:12:21,540 but would tell me things like 217 00:12:26,090 --> 00:12:22,560 um 218 00:12:29,350 --> 00:12:26,100 you know I really just wasn't sure what 219 00:12:33,290 --> 00:12:29,360 had happened and so I got involved 220 00:12:35,750 --> 00:12:33,300 or this researcher and they told me they 221 00:12:38,050 --> 00:12:35,760 thought this and that and the other and 222 00:12:40,910 --> 00:12:38,060 then like the next thing they know 223 00:12:45,850 --> 00:12:40,920 they're you know the star of the book 224 00:12:49,129 --> 00:12:45,860 and uh that that was 225 00:12:51,590 --> 00:12:49,139 concerningly common but about the 226 00:12:54,470 --> 00:12:51,600 organization and thank you for asking 227 00:12:57,410 --> 00:12:54,480 expanding Frontiers research 228 00:13:01,129 --> 00:12:57,420 I had been following the work of Erica 229 00:13:04,750 --> 00:13:01,139 loops and she has just an incredible 230 00:13:08,690 --> 00:13:04,760 collection of everything from 231 00:13:12,170 --> 00:13:08,700 memorabilia and uh paperbacks and 232 00:13:15,350 --> 00:13:12,180 magazines to actual research collections 233 00:13:18,710 --> 00:13:15,360 that had been donated to her by 234 00:13:22,670 --> 00:13:18,720 um now late researchers and or their 235 00:13:27,230 --> 00:13:22,680 families and I had followed her show 236 00:13:30,110 --> 00:13:27,240 closely too and I got in contact with 237 00:13:33,949 --> 00:13:30,120 her a few times about stories I was 238 00:13:38,210 --> 00:13:33,959 writing and a research I was doing for 239 00:13:41,990 --> 00:13:38,220 books and we we had a certain Rapport 240 00:13:45,949 --> 00:13:42,000 going and I approached her at one point 241 00:13:50,389 --> 00:13:45,959 about that I knew some things about the 242 00:13:52,790 --> 00:13:50,399 non-profit industry and that I if she 243 00:13:55,730 --> 00:13:52,800 ever wanted to discuss it I could tell 244 00:14:00,470 --> 00:13:55,740 her some questions she could ask herself 245 00:14:05,269 --> 00:14:00,480 to see if it might be a good idea for 246 00:14:08,030 --> 00:14:05,279 her to be involved with incorporating a 247 00:14:11,449 --> 00:14:08,040 non-profit for her archive and and 248 00:14:14,870 --> 00:14:11,459 research interests and eventually she 249 00:14:18,350 --> 00:14:14,880 she didn't discuss that more and to cut 250 00:14:22,129 --> 00:14:18,360 to the chase uh we we came to the 251 00:14:25,430 --> 00:14:22,139 conclusion that it would be advantageous 252 00:14:28,670 --> 00:14:25,440 to help a platform for both of our 253 00:14:33,470 --> 00:14:28,680 research and our interests and her 254 00:14:36,650 --> 00:14:33,480 Collections and she had been getting 255 00:14:39,350 --> 00:14:36,660 mentoring from Barry Greenwood during 256 00:14:41,449 --> 00:14:39,360 this time and she asked him to round out 257 00:14:43,910 --> 00:14:41,459 the board of directors which is the 258 00:14:46,670 --> 00:14:43,920 three of us and we incorporated 259 00:14:51,350 --> 00:14:46,680 expanding Frontiers research 260 00:14:55,250 --> 00:14:51,360 and that's how that started and I uh I 261 00:14:58,250 --> 00:14:55,260 gotta tell you I uh it it has just been 262 00:15:02,870 --> 00:14:58,260 it is far exceeded my my best 263 00:15:06,470 --> 00:15:02,880 expectations I I sincerely could not be 264 00:15:09,850 --> 00:15:06,480 happier with with uh interacting with 265 00:15:14,449 --> 00:15:09,860 Erica and working with her and the the 266 00:15:16,250 --> 00:15:14,459 stories we've done and the the uh foyers 267 00:15:20,090 --> 00:15:16,260 and the work that we've been able to 268 00:15:23,449 --> 00:15:20,100 contribute to the genre as a whole 269 00:15:25,310 --> 00:15:23,459 yeah and and and you know I I like that 270 00:15:27,350 --> 00:15:25,320 you made it a non-profit I think if I 271 00:15:29,750 --> 00:15:27,360 had to do everything all over again I 272 00:15:31,730 --> 00:15:29,760 would have done the same because I feel 273 00:15:34,009 --> 00:15:31,740 like you know this isn't my full-time 274 00:15:35,870 --> 00:15:34,019 job though we have people support the 275 00:15:37,310 --> 00:15:35,880 show and we have sep I have a separate 276 00:15:39,230 --> 00:15:37,320 accounts separate spreadsheets every 277 00:15:40,970 --> 00:15:39,240 penny that comes into the show is only 278 00:15:43,069 --> 00:15:40,980 used for the show I don't 279 00:15:45,350 --> 00:15:43,079 commingle you know my personal money in 280 00:15:47,150 --> 00:15:45,360 the show money but I I would have done 281 00:15:49,850 --> 00:15:47,160 things a little differently but I think 282 00:15:51,829 --> 00:15:49,860 it's great because it deserves to be a 283 00:15:54,889 --> 00:15:51,839 charity what you do Mr Brewer because 284 00:15:57,110 --> 00:15:54,899 you are providing a public service as a 285 00:15:59,990 --> 00:15:57,120 watchdog to some of these organizations 286 00:16:02,509 --> 00:16:00,000 that truly need somebody to really dig 287 00:16:05,990 --> 00:16:02,519 into them and I've been impressed with 288 00:16:08,150 --> 00:16:06,000 your ability to sort of dig into some 289 00:16:11,389 --> 00:16:08,160 something and then you kind of find the 290 00:16:13,790 --> 00:16:11,399 dirt and then what I'm most respectful 291 00:16:15,530 --> 00:16:13,800 of is that you confront the people with 292 00:16:18,710 --> 00:16:15,540 the dirt and then you ask them more 293 00:16:21,170 --> 00:16:18,720 questions and you're able to really pull 294 00:16:23,629 --> 00:16:21,180 a lot through foia and public records 295 00:16:26,389 --> 00:16:23,639 and a lot of people aren't aware that 296 00:16:28,329 --> 00:16:26,399 like these these government agencies 297 00:16:32,269 --> 00:16:28,339 they have to give you the information 298 00:16:34,490 --> 00:16:32,279 but uh they're reluctant to they try not 299 00:16:37,910 --> 00:16:34,500 to they use exemptions or whatever they 300 00:16:40,370 --> 00:16:37,920 can but one I I noticed that I I feel 301 00:16:43,310 --> 00:16:40,380 like when you start digging they kind of 302 00:16:45,769 --> 00:16:43,320 are initially reluctant or they try to 303 00:16:47,329 --> 00:16:45,779 withhold or they try to play games with 304 00:16:50,389 --> 00:16:47,339 you a little bit and then when they 305 00:16:52,129 --> 00:16:50,399 realize how serious Mr Brewer is he just 306 00:16:54,650 --> 00:16:52,139 hits him with more requests and more 307 00:16:57,350 --> 00:16:54,660 requests and more requests and one thing 308 00:17:00,170 --> 00:16:57,360 that I learned from you is if if you're 309 00:17:03,050 --> 00:17:00,180 getting resistance you need to amplify 310 00:17:05,510 --> 00:17:03,060 your requests and amplify your demands 311 00:17:07,250 --> 00:17:05,520 and then they it seems to me in some of 312 00:17:09,289 --> 00:17:07,260 the cases that I saw you do this they 313 00:17:11,030 --> 00:17:09,299 kind of back they kind of back off they 314 00:17:13,130 --> 00:17:11,040 kind of go well just give them what they 315 00:17:15,169 --> 00:17:13,140 want and you know and this is a public 316 00:17:17,210 --> 00:17:15,179 service so I think it should be a 317 00:17:19,189 --> 00:17:17,220 charity and also 318 00:17:21,470 --> 00:17:19,199 I've kind of always been a student of 319 00:17:23,630 --> 00:17:21,480 history and I love the fact that Erica 320 00:17:26,329 --> 00:17:23,640 is going around and preserving all of 321 00:17:28,250 --> 00:17:26,339 these old documents and case files and 322 00:17:31,250 --> 00:17:28,260 you know some people have pictures and 323 00:17:32,810 --> 00:17:31,260 evidence and and witness testimony it 324 00:17:35,090 --> 00:17:32,820 should be preserved so I'm glad there's 325 00:17:37,909 --> 00:17:35,100 an organization like yours that is out 326 00:17:40,610 --> 00:17:37,919 there to do these things I wanted to 327 00:17:44,090 --> 00:17:40,620 Pivot to talk a little more about your 328 00:17:46,669 --> 00:17:44,100 understanding of Skinwalker Ranch and 329 00:17:49,789 --> 00:17:46,679 and I want to know just as a general 330 00:17:52,549 --> 00:17:49,799 overview what did you think of the whole 331 00:17:54,049 --> 00:17:52,559 thing the whole selling of this 332 00:17:55,370 --> 00:17:54,059 mythology because that's what I think 333 00:17:59,750 --> 00:17:55,380 they're selling they're just selling 334 00:18:02,810 --> 00:17:59,760 mythology and and this uh sort of we're 335 00:18:04,549 --> 00:18:02,820 a serious scientific you know we're 336 00:18:05,930 --> 00:18:04,559 doing serious science here but 337 00:18:08,270 --> 00:18:05,940 everything's really just about 338 00:18:09,950 --> 00:18:08,280 entertainment can you give us a 339 00:18:13,070 --> 00:18:09,960 breakdown of how you first learned about 340 00:18:16,430 --> 00:18:13,080 Skinwalker Ranch and what what you have 341 00:18:19,789 --> 00:18:16,440 learned about the whole thing 342 00:18:22,730 --> 00:18:19,799 well probably like a number of your 343 00:18:26,990 --> 00:18:22,740 Old-Timers I might have first heard 344 00:18:31,250 --> 00:18:27,000 about it uh via Art Bell and Coast to 345 00:18:34,490 --> 00:18:31,260 Coast AM back in the day uh George 346 00:18:38,390 --> 00:18:34,500 Knapp's book you know things like this 347 00:18:43,970 --> 00:18:38,400 uh were probably how I first heard about 348 00:18:48,409 --> 00:18:43,980 it and in that way I I really uh 349 00:18:51,890 --> 00:18:48,419 really want to give Erica another shout 350 00:18:55,690 --> 00:18:51,900 out about the influence she has in in 351 00:19:01,490 --> 00:18:55,700 these blog posts that that uh 352 00:19:04,190 --> 00:19:01,500 usually I write most of but she's really 353 00:19:06,470 --> 00:19:04,200 significant and and that's actually one 354 00:19:09,770 --> 00:19:06,480 of the ways I first started interacting 355 00:19:13,370 --> 00:19:09,780 with her about research was asking her 356 00:19:16,850 --> 00:19:13,380 about uh goings-ons in the U.N to base 357 00:19:20,330 --> 00:19:16,860 and and directions I might would go 358 00:19:21,710 --> 00:19:20,340 with certain blog posts and stories 359 00:19:24,830 --> 00:19:21,720 and 360 00:19:27,610 --> 00:19:24,840 she had just has a lot of contacts that 361 00:19:32,330 --> 00:19:27,620 have been very helpful in that area 362 00:19:35,450 --> 00:19:32,340 my conclusion at this point is I really 363 00:19:37,250 --> 00:19:35,460 don't don't know any other way to put it 364 00:19:38,650 --> 00:19:37,260 but 365 00:19:41,750 --> 00:19:38,660 everyone 366 00:19:45,110 --> 00:19:41,760 directly involved with spin Walker Ranch 367 00:19:48,430 --> 00:19:45,120 it was an unreliable narrator and has 368 00:19:53,570 --> 00:19:48,440 been since day one 369 00:19:58,810 --> 00:19:53,580 there is virtually nothing that that can 370 00:20:02,029 --> 00:19:58,820 be presented with public review to 371 00:20:03,950 --> 00:20:02,039 justify or validate you know their 372 00:20:07,130 --> 00:20:03,960 claims 373 00:20:09,409 --> 00:20:07,140 could some of it be true could there be 374 00:20:12,409 --> 00:20:09,419 something going on 375 00:20:16,010 --> 00:20:12,419 um I I can't conclusively say there's 376 00:20:19,010 --> 00:20:16,020 not but I can tell you I've dug pretty 377 00:20:20,810 --> 00:20:19,020 hard into it I noticed yeah that's 378 00:20:22,810 --> 00:20:20,820 that's why I wanted to I really wanted 379 00:20:24,430 --> 00:20:22,820 to nothing 380 00:20:28,970 --> 00:20:24,440 validate it 381 00:20:30,830 --> 00:20:28,980 yeah oh that's that's interesting so but 382 00:20:33,049 --> 00:20:30,840 what what do you think of the fact that 383 00:20:35,210 --> 00:20:33,059 22 million dollars of taxpayer dollars 384 00:20:38,630 --> 00:20:35,220 was wasted on studying a ranch instead 385 00:20:40,430 --> 00:20:38,640 of this guy you know Bigelow to me it 386 00:20:44,090 --> 00:20:40,440 seems like a complete and total scam 387 00:20:46,549 --> 00:20:44,100 because this man owned the ranch and 388 00:20:50,029 --> 00:20:46,559 then the same man gets a contract for 22 389 00:20:53,510 --> 00:20:50,039 million dollars to study I I'm a I guess 390 00:20:56,270 --> 00:20:53,520 paranormal stuff in UFOs and it's a 391 00:20:57,890 --> 00:20:56,280 no-bid contract you know he was a former 392 00:21:01,250 --> 00:20:57,900 donor of the person that got the money 393 00:21:04,190 --> 00:21:01,260 procured it seems real shady to give 394 00:21:06,950 --> 00:21:04,200 somebody you know it's like Mr Brewer 395 00:21:08,930 --> 00:21:06,960 can I get 22 million dollars to to study 396 00:21:11,090 --> 00:21:08,940 my own house I'll just say it's haunted 397 00:21:13,430 --> 00:21:11,100 and then we'll study my house for a 398 00:21:14,930 --> 00:21:13,440 while like this it 399 00:21:17,690 --> 00:21:14,940 can you talk a little bit about the 400 00:21:18,590 --> 00:21:17,700 financial situation there and like and 401 00:21:21,710 --> 00:21:18,600 then 402 00:21:23,770 --> 00:21:21,720 into the financial situation now because 403 00:21:27,590 --> 00:21:23,780 it appears to me 404 00:21:30,649 --> 00:21:27,600 from all of my research and looking into 405 00:21:32,870 --> 00:21:30,659 things that like Skinwalker is this just 406 00:21:35,870 --> 00:21:32,880 this money it's like an ATM for 407 00:21:38,870 --> 00:21:35,880 paranormal people like you just go there 408 00:21:41,330 --> 00:21:38,880 and you you they are there's all these 409 00:21:43,909 --> 00:21:41,340 people extracting millions of dollars 410 00:21:45,770 --> 00:21:43,919 out of this Ranch and yet when Mr 411 00:21:47,990 --> 00:21:45,780 Stephen Green Street goes there and says 412 00:21:51,350 --> 00:21:48,000 show me your best evidence they show him 413 00:21:53,450 --> 00:21:51,360 like a video of like an inchworm or a 414 00:21:56,210 --> 00:21:53,460 caterpillar and a bug 415 00:21:59,029 --> 00:21:56,220 and that's all they have after you know 416 00:22:00,890 --> 00:21:59,039 so can we break down for me some of the 417 00:22:02,990 --> 00:22:00,900 financial end of this and do you agree 418 00:22:06,049 --> 00:22:03,000 with me that this is one big paranormal 419 00:22:10,510 --> 00:22:09,649 I I certainly understand that point of 420 00:22:13,510 --> 00:22:10,520 view 421 00:22:16,669 --> 00:22:13,520 we discovered through public record 422 00:22:17,810 --> 00:22:16,679 disclosures that that are posted as as 423 00:22:20,990 --> 00:22:17,820 you 424 00:22:23,270 --> 00:22:21,000 viciously pointed out on our blog at 425 00:22:26,930 --> 00:22:23,280 expanding Frontiers 426 00:22:27,770 --> 00:22:26,940 we discovered that 427 00:22:34,270 --> 00:22:27,780 um 428 00:22:36,490 --> 00:22:34,280 you and to County was financing the uh 429 00:22:39,770 --> 00:22:36,500 the 430 00:22:45,590 --> 00:22:39,780 paranormal conference that many skin 431 00:22:49,970 --> 00:22:45,600 walker uh guys were going to and uh was 432 00:22:53,630 --> 00:22:49,980 paying them to continue with and and 433 00:22:58,130 --> 00:22:53,640 promote these crazy stories 434 00:23:00,230 --> 00:22:58,140 that they couldn't be validated and uh 435 00:23:02,270 --> 00:23:00,240 one of there were a lot of things that 436 00:23:04,010 --> 00:23:02,280 were significant about that to me and 437 00:23:06,470 --> 00:23:04,020 I'm not talking about three or four 438 00:23:08,690 --> 00:23:06,480 hundred dollars I'm talking about tens 439 00:23:11,630 --> 00:23:08,700 of thousands of dollars these people 440 00:23:14,750 --> 00:23:11,640 have individually collected from you and 441 00:23:17,029 --> 00:23:14,760 to County to appear at yeah and just 442 00:23:19,850 --> 00:23:17,039 just to be clear for people that are not 443 00:23:23,210 --> 00:23:19,860 on uh are not very familiar with it so 444 00:23:25,250 --> 00:23:23,220 the the stars of the of the Skinwalker 445 00:23:27,110 --> 00:23:25,260 Ranch History television show enter into 446 00:23:30,049 --> 00:23:27,120 some kind of agreement that's supposed 447 00:23:33,649 --> 00:23:30,059 to be economic development for the 448 00:23:35,450 --> 00:23:33,659 community but it amounts to run a 449 00:23:38,149 --> 00:23:35,460 conference here about Skinwalker Ranch 450 00:23:41,270 --> 00:23:38,159 and we'll give you all this money right 451 00:23:44,450 --> 00:23:41,280 and like I don't understand somewhat it 452 00:23:47,210 --> 00:23:44,460 it yeah isn't it like the local town is 453 00:23:48,890 --> 00:23:47,220 saying we endorse all these paranormal 454 00:23:50,289 --> 00:23:48,900 claims because we can make money from 455 00:23:53,270 --> 00:23:50,299 this too 456 00:23:56,110 --> 00:23:53,280 you're right that essentially it's a 457 00:23:58,190 --> 00:23:56,120 scuba we do story 458 00:24:00,590 --> 00:23:58,200 Mr Brewer 459 00:24:03,049 --> 00:24:00,600 those damn kids and they would have 460 00:24:04,510 --> 00:24:03,059 gotten away with it Mr Brewer if not for 461 00:24:09,830 --> 00:24:04,520 you 462 00:24:18,010 --> 00:24:13,690 a little more technically 463 00:24:22,310 --> 00:24:18,020 phenomicon gets paid by you into County 464 00:24:24,890 --> 00:24:22,320 and Uinta County pays the speakers 465 00:24:26,750 --> 00:24:24,900 um George Knapp has been paid Thomas 466 00:24:31,090 --> 00:24:26,760 Winterton 467 00:24:33,789 --> 00:24:31,100 um Travis Taylor Jeremy Corbell yeah 468 00:24:37,330 --> 00:24:33,799 significant amounts of money 469 00:24:42,470 --> 00:24:37,340 and so that gave them a financial 470 00:24:44,750 --> 00:24:42,480 interest in promoting these these 471 00:24:46,850 --> 00:24:44,760 unverified stories while they're 472 00:24:50,330 --> 00:24:46,860 claiming to be doing 473 00:24:53,270 --> 00:24:50,340 uh scientific research which is the 474 00:24:55,149 --> 00:24:53,280 textbook definition of a conflict of 475 00:24:58,909 --> 00:24:55,159 interest 476 00:25:02,330 --> 00:24:58,919 it was while we were looking into that 477 00:25:07,870 --> 00:25:02,340 and further studying records 478 00:25:11,690 --> 00:25:07,880 that we discovered in the Uinta County 479 00:25:15,590 --> 00:25:11,700 budget there was a payment to Colliers 480 00:25:18,470 --> 00:25:15,600 International which is Brandon Frugal is 481 00:25:21,830 --> 00:25:18,480 like Mr fugel yeah yes 482 00:25:24,350 --> 00:25:21,840 and then we discovered through records 483 00:25:26,049 --> 00:25:24,360 requests that they actually hadn't paid 484 00:25:30,250 --> 00:25:26,059 Collier's International 485 00:25:35,630 --> 00:25:30,260 they had paid Intermountain 486 00:25:37,789 --> 00:25:35,640 uh economic Consultants IEC and then 487 00:25:39,250 --> 00:25:37,799 that's Thomas whitmore's company right 488 00:25:42,950 --> 00:25:39,260 right yes 489 00:25:46,010 --> 00:25:42,960 winter Winterton and Fugal and James 490 00:25:50,029 --> 00:25:46,020 Morse yes Winterton infused with y'all 491 00:25:53,210 --> 00:25:50,039 Skinwalker Ranch folks and they received 492 00:25:53,950 --> 00:25:53,220 uh about 175 493 00:25:56,990 --> 00:25:53,960 000 494 00:26:00,529 --> 00:25:57,000 combined from three different counties 495 00:26:02,690 --> 00:26:00,539 we discovered as you know once we 496 00:26:07,250 --> 00:26:02,700 started pulling the thread 497 00:26:11,930 --> 00:26:07,260 and it's not clear what they provided 498 00:26:14,630 --> 00:26:11,940 and returned for that and 499 00:26:17,390 --> 00:26:14,640 um Mr Leonard and to his credit spoke 500 00:26:19,370 --> 00:26:17,400 with me about it that was one of my 501 00:26:22,490 --> 00:26:19,380 favorite things that I've seen 502 00:26:25,310 --> 00:26:22,500 yeah thank you he does have for those 503 00:26:28,490 --> 00:26:25,320 unaware Mr Brewer like and and here's 504 00:26:32,750 --> 00:26:28,500 the thing I love about you you were so 505 00:26:36,169 --> 00:26:32,760 calm and like even toned and respectful 506 00:26:39,529 --> 00:26:36,179 to him but you still like hammered him 507 00:26:41,990 --> 00:26:39,539 and he was sweating and like trying to 508 00:26:44,810 --> 00:26:42,000 explain it and he was doing a very poor 509 00:26:47,510 --> 00:26:44,820 job and I remember thinking when I was 510 00:26:49,549 --> 00:26:47,520 watching this he made a bad decision to 511 00:26:50,990 --> 00:26:49,559 do that with you had he just kept his 512 00:26:52,430 --> 00:26:51,000 mouth shut or given you written 513 00:26:54,769 --> 00:26:52,440 statements it might have went better for 514 00:26:57,950 --> 00:26:54,779 him but he really didn't have any 515 00:26:59,810 --> 00:26:57,960 answers you know he's like oh well uh 516 00:27:01,909 --> 00:26:59,820 because we're doing this everybody's 517 00:27:04,370 --> 00:27:01,919 making money like the hotels and the 518 00:27:06,470 --> 00:27:04,380 local restaurants love us doing this but 519 00:27:08,450 --> 00:27:06,480 it still doesn't equate yeah and I I 520 00:27:10,730 --> 00:27:08,460 love that you brought up like can you 521 00:27:13,730 --> 00:27:10,740 show us some spreadsheets of tax revenue 522 00:27:16,370 --> 00:27:13,740 to prove that this County giving you 523 00:27:18,590 --> 00:27:16,380 guys all this money is increasing the 524 00:27:20,930 --> 00:27:18,600 tax revenue in the town because this 525 00:27:24,590 --> 00:27:20,940 would be reflected by sales tax and he 526 00:27:26,810 --> 00:27:24,600 started stuttering and he had no like it 527 00:27:28,669 --> 00:27:26,820 was it was a great piece a great gotcha 528 00:27:31,130 --> 00:27:28,679 moment too thank you but it was like an 529 00:27:32,570 --> 00:27:31,140 underrated gotcha moment because he 530 00:27:35,090 --> 00:27:32,580 didn't even realize what he was getting 531 00:27:37,370 --> 00:27:35,100 whacked with like 532 00:27:38,930 --> 00:27:37,380 fact that he you know he made statements 533 00:27:40,970 --> 00:27:38,940 he can't prove like the whole 534 00:27:43,549 --> 00:27:40,980 community's benefiting and to his credit 535 00:27:45,409 --> 00:27:43,559 Mr Brewer said if that were true you 536 00:27:48,230 --> 00:27:45,419 could show us some tax records that show 537 00:27:50,029 --> 00:27:48,240 an increase in sales tax and everybody's 538 00:27:53,090 --> 00:27:50,039 economically benefited he didn't have 539 00:27:55,130 --> 00:27:53,100 that you know uh so there's these 540 00:27:58,430 --> 00:27:55,140 incestuous weird relationship between 541 00:28:00,710 --> 00:27:58,440 the local community and this the stars 542 00:28:05,090 --> 00:28:00,720 of Skinwalker Ranch who are essentially 543 00:28:06,890 --> 00:28:05,100 getting paid uh and I I still am not 544 00:28:09,769 --> 00:28:06,900 quite sure what the township gets out of 545 00:28:12,710 --> 00:28:09,779 it or what the town is getting that no 546 00:28:15,590 --> 00:28:12,720 it was not clear and 547 00:28:19,130 --> 00:28:15,600 um Mr fugel had written some proposals 548 00:28:23,630 --> 00:28:19,140 that we obtained through records 549 00:28:27,110 --> 00:28:23,640 requests and uh it did not appear that 550 00:28:29,930 --> 00:28:27,120 things were prom that were promised had 551 00:28:32,049 --> 00:28:29,940 been delivered yeah and Winterton had a 552 00:28:36,350 --> 00:28:32,059 problem with that yeah 553 00:28:38,930 --> 00:28:36,360 oh well you know I I remember one 554 00:28:41,990 --> 00:28:38,940 delivered it was not clear they were 555 00:28:44,630 --> 00:28:42,000 yeah and he he seemed to really falter 556 00:28:46,490 --> 00:28:44,640 on this idea he was making excuses like 557 00:28:48,169 --> 00:28:46,500 well I was filming for my television 558 00:28:50,570 --> 00:28:48,179 show so I told him that those would be 559 00:28:52,430 --> 00:28:50,580 delivered later you know those benefits 560 00:28:54,049 --> 00:28:52,440 we promised would be delivered later or 561 00:28:57,350 --> 00:28:54,059 those things would be completed at a 562 00:28:59,390 --> 00:28:57,360 later date and it you know it just you 563 00:29:01,970 --> 00:28:59,400 know I have a business Mr Brewer and if 564 00:29:04,130 --> 00:29:01,980 I say give me ten thousand dollars and I 565 00:29:06,289 --> 00:29:04,140 will complete this job by this date I 566 00:29:08,690 --> 00:29:06,299 can't say oh hey I got busy with other 567 00:29:11,510 --> 00:29:08,700 money interests like a television show 568 00:29:13,310 --> 00:29:11,520 so I'm gonna have to hold you off I'm 569 00:29:15,830 --> 00:29:13,320 gonna have to put you off on those 570 00:29:18,409 --> 00:29:15,840 things I promised it doesn't make any 571 00:29:19,789 --> 00:29:18,419 sense it looked to me and look I'm going 572 00:29:22,070 --> 00:29:19,799 to say this because I don't want you to 573 00:29:24,289 --> 00:29:22,080 but it looked to me like just some kind 574 00:29:27,950 --> 00:29:24,299 of some kind of government payoff so 575 00:29:30,529 --> 00:29:27,960 that the government can get in on on the 576 00:29:33,169 --> 00:29:30,539 financial benefits I guess of of 577 00:29:37,250 --> 00:29:33,179 promoting these stories 578 00:29:41,029 --> 00:29:37,260 they do have peculiar relationships I I 579 00:29:46,669 --> 00:29:41,039 would agree with that and the bottom 580 00:29:52,090 --> 00:29:46,679 line to me was that the none of the 581 00:29:55,490 --> 00:29:52,100 Three Counties renewed the contracts 582 00:29:58,330 --> 00:29:55,500 one of their County Commissioners wanted 583 00:30:01,730 --> 00:29:58,340 to speak with us about 584 00:30:04,070 --> 00:30:01,740 how pleased or disappointed they were 585 00:30:05,690 --> 00:30:04,080 and the service provided 586 00:30:08,630 --> 00:30:05,700 and don't you think that when somebody 587 00:30:11,750 --> 00:30:08,640 refuses always a red flag to me yeah 588 00:30:15,470 --> 00:30:11,760 it's like why are you refusing the 589 00:30:17,630 --> 00:30:15,480 projects don't want to talk about if in 590 00:30:20,570 --> 00:30:17,640 hindsight they were pleased with the 591 00:30:23,750 --> 00:30:20,580 projects that that's that's quite a red 592 00:30:25,970 --> 00:30:23,760 flag and a what should be a transparent 593 00:30:27,710 --> 00:30:25,980 County Government 594 00:30:28,970 --> 00:30:27,720 yeah and I'm sorry I'm talking overview 595 00:30:31,130 --> 00:30:28,980 I think we had a little bit we have a 596 00:30:33,529 --> 00:30:31,140 little bit of delay going on but I was 597 00:30:35,750 --> 00:30:33,539 just going to say that when I do stories 598 00:30:38,090 --> 00:30:35,760 if somebody won't answer questions at 599 00:30:39,889 --> 00:30:38,100 all it's a really big red flag to me 600 00:30:41,029 --> 00:30:39,899 because you're right these are 601 00:30:43,430 --> 00:30:41,039 government people there should be 602 00:30:46,610 --> 00:30:43,440 transparency in the financial dealings 603 00:30:49,430 --> 00:30:46,620 of the county and I I've often thought 604 00:30:51,049 --> 00:30:49,440 that the only people that with that fear 605 00:30:53,149 --> 00:30:51,059 questions are people with something to 606 00:30:54,710 --> 00:30:53,159 hide otherwise why wouldn't they just 607 00:30:56,990 --> 00:30:54,720 answer your question you had simple 608 00:30:58,669 --> 00:30:57,000 questions for them and the fact that 609 00:31:00,289 --> 00:30:58,679 they didn't renew it don't you think 610 00:31:03,889 --> 00:31:00,299 that may be due to the increased 611 00:31:06,529 --> 00:31:03,899 scrutiny and and you know uh coverage 612 00:31:10,490 --> 00:31:06,539 that you you know sort of brought in 613 00:31:14,710 --> 00:31:10,500 there it had already expired by 614 00:31:17,990 --> 00:31:14,720 uh Erica and I discovered the the 615 00:31:22,430 --> 00:31:18,000 expenditures in the Uinta County budget 616 00:31:25,370 --> 00:31:22,440 so they had already not renewed it and 617 00:31:26,930 --> 00:31:25,380 no one wanted to talk to us about why 618 00:31:29,510 --> 00:31:26,940 that might be 619 00:31:33,649 --> 00:31:29,520 nor did they want to have a comment 620 00:31:36,710 --> 00:31:33,659 about uh if they were pleased with the 621 00:31:39,970 --> 00:31:36,720 the work that was performed uh they just 622 00:31:44,330 --> 00:31:39,980 didn't want to discuss it 623 00:31:47,409 --> 00:31:44,340 a somewhat granted they're all in mesh 624 00:31:51,470 --> 00:31:47,419 but that was a somewhat different issue 625 00:31:55,250 --> 00:31:51,480 from the over 200 Grand that was spent 626 00:31:57,830 --> 00:31:55,260 on phenomicon in its first two years and 627 00:32:01,909 --> 00:31:57,840 we did get some officials to speak with 628 00:32:04,430 --> 00:32:01,919 us about that uh but 629 00:32:08,810 --> 00:32:04,440 it it 630 00:32:12,230 --> 00:32:08,820 it still had a way of ending 631 00:32:15,409 --> 00:32:12,240 um kind of short like like I in fact I 632 00:32:18,830 --> 00:32:15,419 described it to to Thomas Winterton in 633 00:32:21,310 --> 00:32:18,840 my discussion with him on Zoom as 634 00:32:23,930 --> 00:32:21,320 that it feels like there's a certain 635 00:32:26,269 --> 00:32:23,940 entitlement that 636 00:32:31,010 --> 00:32:26,279 um when they're held accountable they 637 00:32:33,409 --> 00:32:31,020 feel offended yeah like there was a city 638 00:32:37,070 --> 00:32:33,419 manager 639 00:32:39,649 --> 00:32:37,080 um that uh outright he and I exchanged a 640 00:32:42,289 --> 00:32:39,659 couple of emails and then he just 641 00:32:46,190 --> 00:32:42,299 outright told me I'm just not 642 00:32:49,610 --> 00:32:46,200 responding to any more questions and 643 00:32:52,430 --> 00:32:49,620 um okay I faced a lot of stuff like that 644 00:32:54,769 --> 00:32:52,440 as well and I I often don't know you 645 00:32:56,810 --> 00:32:54,779 know maybe I should learn from the 646 00:32:59,149 --> 00:32:56,820 benefit of somebody with your experience 647 00:33:01,070 --> 00:32:59,159 because I go one of two ways when that 648 00:33:02,750 --> 00:33:01,080 happens either either I say all right 649 00:33:04,490 --> 00:33:02,760 I've gotten all I can from him and you 650 00:33:06,110 --> 00:33:04,500 know whatever I'll I'll write up the 651 00:33:08,090 --> 00:33:06,120 scripts for the show and I'll do the 652 00:33:10,190 --> 00:33:08,100 show and I'll just report that or 653 00:33:13,130 --> 00:33:10,200 sometimes I get aggressive and I say 654 00:33:15,289 --> 00:33:13,140 well then give me your boss then pal 655 00:33:16,190 --> 00:33:15,299 because somebody's answering these 656 00:33:19,430 --> 00:33:16,200 questions 657 00:33:20,870 --> 00:33:19,440 and we want to thank Ralph Master 23 for 658 00:33:22,490 --> 00:33:20,880 becoming a member if you become a member 659 00:33:23,810 --> 00:33:22,500 during the live broadcast so give me a 660 00:33:27,649 --> 00:33:23,820 shout out and a big thank you thank you 661 00:33:29,330 --> 00:33:27,659 ralphmaster we appreciate it and so what 662 00:33:31,310 --> 00:33:29,340 do you do but what does the bottom line 663 00:33:33,350 --> 00:33:31,320 do you think about Skinwalker do you 664 00:33:35,690 --> 00:33:33,360 think because I just kind of think it's 665 00:33:37,909 --> 00:33:35,700 a big circus money machine and there's 666 00:33:40,370 --> 00:33:37,919 no there's no evidence I haven't seen 667 00:33:41,990 --> 00:33:40,380 any you know I'd like nothing conclusive 668 00:33:44,450 --> 00:33:42,000 there's a lot of it's kind of like the 669 00:33:45,950 --> 00:33:44,460 UFO world you know the skinwalk the 670 00:33:48,350 --> 00:33:45,960 ranch has whole books written about 671 00:33:49,970 --> 00:33:48,360 werewolves and Dino beavers and and they 672 00:33:52,430 --> 00:33:49,980 say they had all this evidence but then 673 00:33:54,830 --> 00:33:52,440 when asked for the evidence shorts that 674 00:33:57,110 --> 00:33:54,840 had to admit on Joe Rogan well we don't 675 00:33:58,850 --> 00:33:57,120 have any evidence and it's like you put 676 00:34:00,130 --> 00:33:58,860 it right in your book that you had all 677 00:34:02,509 --> 00:34:00,140 this evidence 678 00:34:03,950 --> 00:34:02,519 and we've got I was trying to find a 679 00:34:06,649 --> 00:34:03,960 bumper because there's some funny George 680 00:34:09,710 --> 00:34:06,659 Knapp stories about you know guys with 681 00:34:12,290 --> 00:34:09,720 dog heads smoking cigarettes and it's 682 00:34:14,270 --> 00:34:12,300 just so ridiculous and and Dino beavers 683 00:34:16,849 --> 00:34:14,280 and werewolves that they shot and they 684 00:34:20,389 --> 00:34:16,859 couldn't kill and these cows got put 685 00:34:22,490 --> 00:34:20,399 inside a trailer magically and you know 686 00:34:24,649 --> 00:34:22,500 but we don't it's kind of like the UFO 687 00:34:26,990 --> 00:34:24,659 Community we see a lot of like stories 688 00:34:29,089 --> 00:34:27,000 where we hear these stories but then 689 00:34:32,510 --> 00:34:29,099 when you ask for the evidence it's just 690 00:34:34,790 --> 00:34:32,520 a story kind of like mythology you know 691 00:34:36,589 --> 00:34:34,800 but do you think there's any any 692 00:34:38,629 --> 00:34:36,599 evidence or is this just one big money 693 00:34:42,530 --> 00:34:38,639 Hustle 694 00:34:46,129 --> 00:34:42,540 I I have no reason to think that there 695 00:34:50,770 --> 00:34:46,139 is I I have not seen I have not been 696 00:34:54,230 --> 00:34:50,780 presented I have not obtained any any 697 00:34:56,990 --> 00:34:54,240 significant evidence no from Skinwalker 698 00:35:01,609 --> 00:34:57,000 Ranch and I think your assessment is 699 00:35:04,550 --> 00:35:01,619 fair I think that it probably had some 700 00:35:09,170 --> 00:35:04,560 interest of intelligence agencies I mean 701 00:35:12,650 --> 00:35:09,180 we know it did the the DIA yeah 702 00:35:16,790 --> 00:35:12,660 and I think that it it's it's 703 00:35:20,050 --> 00:35:16,800 a little more complicated than just a 704 00:35:24,109 --> 00:35:20,060 money Griff but I think that Financial 705 00:35:27,050 --> 00:35:24,119 interests are certainly in there and and 706 00:35:32,270 --> 00:35:27,060 you know there's a whole ecosystem of 707 00:35:35,450 --> 00:35:32,280 people that that uh travel to the U.N to 708 00:35:40,730 --> 00:35:35,460 Basin to try to make it as YouTubers and 709 00:35:45,530 --> 00:35:40,740 podcasters and and uh that try to get in 710 00:35:47,630 --> 00:35:45,540 on this and so there's just a whole you 711 00:35:50,450 --> 00:35:47,640 know the onion analogy of different 712 00:35:53,770 --> 00:35:50,460 agendas that go into Skinwalker Ranch 713 00:35:56,750 --> 00:35:53,780 but yeah I I think you're you're 714 00:36:01,250 --> 00:35:56,760 certainly on point for all practical 715 00:36:03,790 --> 00:36:01,260 purposes with your opinion of it it's my 716 00:36:07,670 --> 00:36:03,800 opinion it's good tonight 717 00:36:10,849 --> 00:36:07,680 too as long as we're on the topic that 718 00:36:13,190 --> 00:36:10,859 people really don't see unless they roll 719 00:36:15,650 --> 00:36:13,200 up their sleeves and they dive into it 720 00:36:18,849 --> 00:36:15,660 and and I I know that you have 721 00:36:22,250 --> 00:36:18,859 encountered this as well that 722 00:36:26,450 --> 00:36:22,260 you're get your your audience won't 723 00:36:29,990 --> 00:36:26,460 necessarily understand but 724 00:36:32,349 --> 00:36:30,000 just from hearing your opinion but when 725 00:36:37,069 --> 00:36:32,359 you actually deal with these people 726 00:36:42,230 --> 00:36:37,079 you're aware of like over a few months 727 00:36:45,109 --> 00:36:42,240 when they the story changes and the way 728 00:36:47,990 --> 00:36:45,119 you excuses well yeah you can get that 729 00:36:49,670 --> 00:36:48,000 from my assistant well no the assistant 730 00:36:53,030 --> 00:36:49,680 doesn't know what the hell you're 731 00:36:55,790 --> 00:36:53,040 talking about and then and then you see 732 00:37:00,170 --> 00:36:55,800 them still continuing with the story 733 00:37:01,849 --> 00:37:00,180 even though you know they know that they 734 00:37:05,390 --> 00:37:01,859 don't have what they're claiming they 735 00:37:08,810 --> 00:37:05,400 have and so when you have stuff like 736 00:37:11,810 --> 00:37:08,820 that happen to you repeatedly 737 00:37:15,410 --> 00:37:11,820 it's not the kind of thing that you'll 738 00:37:18,589 --> 00:37:15,420 like make a series of blog posts about 739 00:37:20,210 --> 00:37:18,599 you know all these yeah and documented 740 00:37:21,770 --> 00:37:20,220 all first they said this first they said 741 00:37:23,390 --> 00:37:21,780 this but you can get a sense of the way 742 00:37:25,310 --> 00:37:23,400 that they're trying to be and we want to 743 00:37:27,530 --> 00:37:25,320 thank Matt Alford for a kind of generous 744 00:37:30,170 --> 00:37:27,540 seven dollars Australian says brilliant 745 00:37:32,510 --> 00:37:30,180 Scooby-Doo laugh out loud rip the mask 746 00:37:33,950 --> 00:37:32,520 off the alien and it's Stephen Greer I 747 00:37:35,930 --> 00:37:33,960 would have gotten away with it if not 748 00:37:38,810 --> 00:37:35,940 for those kids I think the Scooby-Doo 749 00:37:41,089 --> 00:37:38,820 analogy is is pretty funny and you know 750 00:37:45,770 --> 00:37:41,099 I grew up watching that that's kind of 751 00:37:48,170 --> 00:37:45,780 funny uh I I think that uh I I think of 752 00:37:51,890 --> 00:37:48,180 that a lot like that I would have gotten 753 00:37:54,170 --> 00:37:51,900 away with it you know so the skinwalker 754 00:37:56,750 --> 00:37:54,180 now just continues to get I think a 755 00:37:59,089 --> 00:37:56,760 little more and more ridiculous and and 756 00:38:02,150 --> 00:37:59,099 I agree I think if you have a financial 757 00:38:04,069 --> 00:38:02,160 interest Mr Brewer like look let's say 758 00:38:05,690 --> 00:38:04,079 for example just I'll throw out a number 759 00:38:07,550 --> 00:38:05,700 like what if I'm getting ten thousand 760 00:38:10,069 --> 00:38:07,560 dollars an episode to be on this show 761 00:38:13,250 --> 00:38:10,079 and we gotta find some paranormal stuff 762 00:38:14,930 --> 00:38:13,260 to keep that you know like I'm keeping 763 00:38:17,569 --> 00:38:14,940 that paycheck man I'm gonna see 764 00:38:19,670 --> 00:38:17,579 something you know and if you're out in 765 00:38:21,470 --> 00:38:19,680 the woods or in this on a Spooky Ranch 766 00:38:23,630 --> 00:38:21,480 late at night you know you're gonna 767 00:38:26,030 --> 00:38:23,640 you're gonna get the creep sometimes 768 00:38:28,310 --> 00:38:26,040 there could be animals walking around in 769 00:38:30,589 --> 00:38:28,320 the forests surrounding the thing or in 770 00:38:32,870 --> 00:38:30,599 the in the desert surrounding this thing 771 00:38:35,690 --> 00:38:32,880 that the dino beavers apparently 772 00:38:37,609 --> 00:38:35,700 according to one person that had been 773 00:38:39,890 --> 00:38:37,619 there he thinks they were really big 774 00:38:42,290 --> 00:38:39,900 porcupines that's what they saw they saw 775 00:38:45,530 --> 00:38:42,300 a really big porcupine and they turned 776 00:38:47,450 --> 00:38:45,540 it into a dino beaver a mix between a 777 00:38:49,630 --> 00:38:47,460 dinosaur and a beaver it was a big 778 00:38:52,310 --> 00:38:49,640 porcupine you know 779 00:38:54,290 --> 00:38:52,320 I think they have a financial motive to 780 00:38:55,910 --> 00:38:54,300 keep it going it's like finding Bigfoot 781 00:38:58,609 --> 00:38:55,920 they never find Bigfoot but they always 782 00:39:00,650 --> 00:38:58,619 hear knocks off in the distance or you 783 00:39:02,390 --> 00:39:00,660 know something's walking in the woods it 784 00:39:05,630 --> 00:39:02,400 must be Bigfoot or it could be a bear 785 00:39:07,730 --> 00:39:05,640 you dummy or a gear or a raccoon it 786 00:39:09,530 --> 00:39:07,740 doesn't mean it's you know they have to 787 00:39:11,210 --> 00:39:09,540 find something to keep the show going 788 00:39:13,550 --> 00:39:11,220 but I think it's getting ridiculous with 789 00:39:16,069 --> 00:39:13,560 this but there's a portal and and all 790 00:39:18,829 --> 00:39:16,079 this other stuff and like it's just and 791 00:39:22,730 --> 00:39:18,839 then it got Travis Taylor uh who has 792 00:39:25,370 --> 00:39:22,740 been heavily involved in UFOs and aliens 793 00:39:27,410 --> 00:39:25,380 and all of this stuff he's a True 794 00:39:29,210 --> 00:39:27,420 Believer and I I don't think you should 795 00:39:30,950 --> 00:39:29,220 put a bunch of True Believers on a 796 00:39:33,670 --> 00:39:30,960 science mission right because they're 797 00:39:37,970 --> 00:39:33,680 going to find what they believe 798 00:39:41,030 --> 00:39:37,980 right right and that that does kind of 799 00:39:46,089 --> 00:39:41,040 segue us into 800 00:39:51,170 --> 00:39:46,099 one of the social aspects of Skinwalker 801 00:39:54,890 --> 00:39:51,180 uh and the whole UFO topic is the amount 802 00:39:58,910 --> 00:39:54,900 of Intelligence Officers or intelligence 803 00:39:59,810 --> 00:39:58,920 agency Consultants that get involved in 804 00:40:03,650 --> 00:39:59,820 this 805 00:40:07,370 --> 00:40:03,660 and say just the most crackpot things 806 00:40:09,829 --> 00:40:07,380 you you can imagine that that you would 807 00:40:12,290 --> 00:40:09,839 just be embarrassed to say in public 808 00:40:17,750 --> 00:40:12,300 that these 809 00:40:22,130 --> 00:40:17,760 um decorated officers and Personnel will 810 00:40:29,390 --> 00:40:26,510 it's only natural that that we deeply 811 00:40:32,270 --> 00:40:29,400 question their motives and and wonder 812 00:40:35,690 --> 00:40:32,280 about why they do these things 813 00:40:38,390 --> 00:40:35,700 and I've kind of gotten to where 814 00:40:41,630 --> 00:40:38,400 I I just don't think that we can answer 815 00:40:44,329 --> 00:40:41,640 that I I don't think that we can and I 816 00:40:47,630 --> 00:40:44,339 understand why people are so interested 817 00:40:51,589 --> 00:40:47,640 in well is it a psyop is it is it a 818 00:40:54,109 --> 00:40:51,599 grift is it are they working for the CIA 819 00:40:58,010 --> 00:40:54,119 still what are they doing 820 00:41:00,230 --> 00:40:58,020 and really the only thing I think we can 821 00:41:04,849 --> 00:41:00,240 use as a compass 822 00:41:07,970 --> 00:41:04,859 is do they provide evidence available 823 00:41:11,210 --> 00:41:07,980 for public review or no 824 00:41:12,890 --> 00:41:11,220 and everything else you just kind of got 825 00:41:14,990 --> 00:41:12,900 to throw aside 826 00:41:17,750 --> 00:41:15,000 yeah and and isn't it interesting that 827 00:41:19,550 --> 00:41:17,760 they have you know they almost they 828 00:41:22,069 --> 00:41:19,560 almost kind of they don't say it it's 829 00:41:24,290 --> 00:41:22,079 kind of unsaid but like you can join our 830 00:41:27,589 --> 00:41:24,300 website and get the good stuff 831 00:41:30,650 --> 00:41:27,599 you know and uh by the way I I have just 832 00:41:33,349 --> 00:41:30,660 to see what was there and and uh 833 00:41:35,630 --> 00:41:33,359 nothing is there it's it's more it's 834 00:41:37,430 --> 00:41:35,640 fluff it's more fluff but you know 835 00:41:38,810 --> 00:41:37,440 they're making all this money from all 836 00:41:40,010 --> 00:41:38,820 these people signing up to get behind 837 00:41:43,310 --> 00:41:40,020 the website you're supposed to get the 838 00:41:45,230 --> 00:41:43,320 good stuff and and I I didn't find 839 00:41:48,530 --> 00:41:45,240 anything really compelling as far as 840 00:41:51,589 --> 00:41:48,540 evidence if you do that sign up and and 841 00:41:54,250 --> 00:41:51,599 pay to get behind the paywall uh but you 842 00:41:56,990 --> 00:41:54,260 know and there is also this element of 843 00:41:59,270 --> 00:41:57,000 promoters I would say you know there's 844 00:42:02,390 --> 00:41:59,280 people in with podcasts and there's 845 00:42:04,010 --> 00:42:02,400 people with uh shows live stream shows 846 00:42:05,990 --> 00:42:04,020 or whatever and and they all seem to 847 00:42:07,730 --> 00:42:06,000 play along they don't do the hardball 848 00:42:09,470 --> 00:42:07,740 questions like you know what I'd like to 849 00:42:11,870 --> 00:42:09,480 see Mr Brewer I'd like to see you 850 00:42:14,690 --> 00:42:11,880 interview Brandon fugle I'd like to see 851 00:42:17,390 --> 00:42:14,700 me interview Brandon fugle I don't want 852 00:42:19,010 --> 00:42:17,400 to see somebody that's a huge fan of 853 00:42:21,230 --> 00:42:19,020 Brandon field goal and Skinwalker Ranch 854 00:42:22,910 --> 00:42:21,240 just sit there and softball them but 855 00:42:24,589 --> 00:42:22,920 that seems to be all that we get have 856 00:42:27,770 --> 00:42:24,599 you noticed that 857 00:42:32,390 --> 00:42:27,780 oh absolutely like 858 00:42:37,310 --> 00:42:32,400 um a big red flag for me early on with 859 00:42:39,589 --> 00:42:37,320 the 2017 New York Times story was I was 860 00:42:43,010 --> 00:42:39,599 aware that 861 00:42:45,349 --> 00:42:43,020 um to the Stars personnel didn't want to 862 00:42:50,030 --> 00:42:45,359 talk to Sarah skulls 863 00:42:53,510 --> 00:42:50,040 a science journalist and writer and 864 00:42:57,710 --> 00:42:53,520 um does does very good work 865 00:43:03,829 --> 00:43:00,890 yeah yeah that that like if you 866 00:43:07,849 --> 00:43:03,839 sincerely had something 867 00:43:10,910 --> 00:43:07,859 you would want the most credible people 868 00:43:14,870 --> 00:43:10,920 coming and questioning you you know like 869 00:43:17,870 --> 00:43:14,880 like if you were to ask me Steve and 870 00:43:20,870 --> 00:43:17,880 well can you show us these these 871 00:43:24,290 --> 00:43:20,880 financial documents you got on on these 872 00:43:26,210 --> 00:43:24,300 conferences and on you under County I 873 00:43:28,609 --> 00:43:26,220 would welcome the questions I mean 874 00:43:30,410 --> 00:43:28,619 they're posted you post them publicly 875 00:43:32,930 --> 00:43:30,420 yeah they're publicly there and by the 876 00:43:35,930 --> 00:43:32,940 way I I enjoyed reading them I liked I 877 00:43:37,609 --> 00:43:35,940 liked just I felt like I felt like you 878 00:43:39,710 --> 00:43:37,619 were like pulling back the curtain and 879 00:43:41,569 --> 00:43:39,720 letting everybody see what was behind 880 00:43:43,670 --> 00:43:41,579 that curtain and I I love stuff like 881 00:43:45,950 --> 00:43:43,680 that like oh documents they'd rather I 882 00:43:47,690 --> 00:43:45,960 didn't look at let me look at those you 883 00:43:49,970 --> 00:43:47,700 know yeah 884 00:43:51,410 --> 00:43:49,980 yeah you're right if people really have 885 00:43:53,450 --> 00:43:51,420 evidence they'll show it they don't 886 00:43:54,770 --> 00:43:53,460 they're not going to be shy about it you 887 00:43:58,309 --> 00:43:54,780 know 888 00:44:00,230 --> 00:43:58,319 and when Riders won't post that stuff 889 00:44:05,329 --> 00:44:00,240 and like we were talking a few minutes 890 00:44:07,550 --> 00:44:05,339 ago about when when the subjects when 891 00:44:10,569 --> 00:44:07,560 the people that you're getting comment 892 00:44:14,569 --> 00:44:10,579 from that agreed to give you comment 893 00:44:17,270 --> 00:44:14,579 start to pull back and say I walk it 894 00:44:20,030 --> 00:44:17,280 back yeah well then that needs to be to 895 00:44:22,309 --> 00:44:20,040 become the story and like what we've 896 00:44:23,329 --> 00:44:22,319 seen with this latest whistleblower 897 00:44:28,190 --> 00:44:23,339 stuff 898 00:44:30,890 --> 00:44:28,200 is people are quoting documents that 899 00:44:33,530 --> 00:44:30,900 they were just given quotes from but 900 00:44:36,170 --> 00:44:33,540 apparently weren't allowed to post the 901 00:44:37,210 --> 00:44:36,180 documents or didn't post the documents 902 00:44:41,030 --> 00:44:37,220 whatever 903 00:44:43,550 --> 00:44:41,040 and uh absolutely then that needs to 904 00:44:46,970 --> 00:44:43,560 become the story not what the document 905 00:44:49,250 --> 00:44:46,980 said but the name of the person and the 906 00:44:51,349 --> 00:44:49,260 agency there with that gave you this 907 00:44:55,010 --> 00:44:51,359 document and said you're not allowed to 908 00:44:57,410 --> 00:44:55,020 have it is the story at that point and 909 00:44:59,390 --> 00:44:57,420 it's yeah I I did a story not long ago 910 00:45:01,130 --> 00:44:59,400 Mr Brewer this is a crazy story and I'm 911 00:45:04,430 --> 00:45:01,140 going to ask you more about this off air 912 00:45:06,109 --> 00:45:04,440 because there's a local double murder in 913 00:45:08,809 --> 00:45:06,119 my area and I decided I would 914 00:45:11,630 --> 00:45:08,819 investigate it so I go to the police in 915 00:45:13,069 --> 00:45:11,640 the local district attorney and I'm you 916 00:45:14,990 --> 00:45:13,079 know uh hey I'm an investigative 917 00:45:16,250 --> 00:45:15,000 journalist and they go well we can't 918 00:45:18,290 --> 00:45:16,260 give you anything you've got to file 919 00:45:20,150 --> 00:45:18,300 right to no requests so I started filing 920 00:45:22,130 --> 00:45:20,160 all these rights and no requests and 921 00:45:23,930 --> 00:45:22,140 they denied all of them you know this is 922 00:45:25,849 --> 00:45:23,940 case File you're not a police officer 923 00:45:28,430 --> 00:45:25,859 you're not getting anything and there's 924 00:45:30,349 --> 00:45:28,440 a lot there was a lot of weird stuff for 925 00:45:31,910 --> 00:45:30,359 30 years people thought that this these 926 00:45:34,490 --> 00:45:31,920 double murders would be solved because 927 00:45:36,890 --> 00:45:34,500 at the scene of the double murder was an 928 00:45:38,569 --> 00:45:36,900 earring that everybody assumed or said 929 00:45:41,150 --> 00:45:38,579 was ripped out of the ear of the 930 00:45:44,270 --> 00:45:41,160 attacker and it had skin cells and blood 931 00:45:47,390 --> 00:45:44,280 on it so I said I started asking have 932 00:45:49,730 --> 00:45:47,400 you done the genealogy DNA like the 933 00:45:51,650 --> 00:45:49,740 Golden State killer case you might be 934 00:45:53,030 --> 00:45:51,660 able to find a cousin or a relative and 935 00:45:55,010 --> 00:45:53,040 that will narrow down and you'll find 936 00:45:56,329 --> 00:45:55,020 your Killers we can't answer any of 937 00:45:59,569 --> 00:45:56,339 those questions it's an ongoing 938 00:46:02,210 --> 00:45:59,579 investigation it's 30 years old oh and 939 00:46:04,670 --> 00:46:02,220 by the way recently they said that that 940 00:46:07,790 --> 00:46:04,680 earring and the skin cells and the blood 941 00:46:09,650 --> 00:46:07,800 were not relevant to the case they 942 00:46:11,750 --> 00:46:09,660 determined it what it wasn't relevant to 943 00:46:14,210 --> 00:46:11,760 the case and so I go to the Local 944 00:46:16,430 --> 00:46:14,220 District Attorney and I say how often do 945 00:46:17,870 --> 00:46:16,440 you find a bloody earring with skin on 946 00:46:20,990 --> 00:46:17,880 it at the scene of a double murder 947 00:46:23,270 --> 00:46:21,000 that's not relevant to the case can you 948 00:46:27,109 --> 00:46:23,280 explain how you made this determination 949 00:46:28,849 --> 00:46:27,119 total Total Blackout the guy told me you 950 00:46:31,069 --> 00:46:28,859 we're not answering any more questions 951 00:46:33,050 --> 00:46:31,079 we're you can file as many right to know 952 00:46:34,609 --> 00:46:33,060 requests as you want and then there was 953 00:46:36,290 --> 00:46:34,619 this whole big thing where they said I 954 00:46:37,910 --> 00:46:36,300 wasn't allowed to ask questions I had to 955 00:46:39,650 --> 00:46:37,920 put questions in a right to know request 956 00:46:41,750 --> 00:46:39,660 and that's not proper but I did it 957 00:46:43,069 --> 00:46:41,760 because I knew it wasn't proper and 958 00:46:44,569 --> 00:46:43,079 finally the district attorney just 959 00:46:46,970 --> 00:46:44,579 called me one day and tried to make 960 00:46:48,770 --> 00:46:46,980 peace and he said I don't have the staff 961 00:46:50,510 --> 00:46:48,780 to deal with all your requests you got 962 00:46:52,010 --> 00:46:50,520 to stop doing that and I said well then 963 00:46:54,230 --> 00:46:52,020 answer my question you know then answer 964 00:46:55,790 --> 00:46:54,240 the questions so I'm going to get some 965 00:46:58,370 --> 00:46:55,800 advice to you about how to proceed with 966 00:47:00,829 --> 00:46:58,380 that because we're at a dead end they 967 00:47:02,390 --> 00:47:00,839 won't say how they made a determination 968 00:47:04,490 --> 00:47:02,400 that this isn't relevant to the case 969 00:47:07,190 --> 00:47:04,500 they won't answer questions about DNA 970 00:47:10,069 --> 00:47:07,200 did you get it did you get a match and 971 00:47:11,870 --> 00:47:10,079 and then you eliminate that person so 972 00:47:13,910 --> 00:47:11,880 there's always these things that happen 973 00:47:16,250 --> 00:47:13,920 in these cases where 974 00:47:18,550 --> 00:47:16,260 that you can only go so far you know 975 00:47:21,230 --> 00:47:18,560 sometimes and then there's a dead end 976 00:47:22,730 --> 00:47:21,240 and uh you you face a lot of them but it 977 00:47:25,069 --> 00:47:22,740 seems to me that you know some of the 978 00:47:27,290 --> 00:47:25,079 tricks that I don't to get to get over 979 00:47:31,150 --> 00:47:27,300 the dead ends and force them to comply 980 00:47:35,210 --> 00:47:31,160 with some kind of you know transparency 981 00:47:38,030 --> 00:47:35,220 I try I've had some good teachers and I 982 00:47:41,569 --> 00:47:38,040 welcome your questions as well as anyone 983 00:47:44,270 --> 00:47:41,579 else's just reach out to us at expanding 984 00:47:46,910 --> 00:47:44,280 Frontiers and if we can't help you with 985 00:47:50,329 --> 00:47:46,920 your requests we can point you towards 986 00:47:53,870 --> 00:47:50,339 people that uh have credentials and do 987 00:47:56,450 --> 00:47:53,880 this for a living and whatnot yeah and I 988 00:47:58,970 --> 00:47:56,460 got the I have the help now of uh of a 989 00:48:01,010 --> 00:47:58,980 former law enforcement investigator and 990 00:48:02,750 --> 00:48:01,020 we're going to go and we're going to go 991 00:48:05,210 --> 00:48:02,760 through everything we have on that case 992 00:48:07,069 --> 00:48:05,220 all the right to know denials and 993 00:48:09,589 --> 00:48:07,079 requests and all this all the paperwork 994 00:48:11,630 --> 00:48:09,599 and I'm telling you I got 50 pages of 995 00:48:14,270 --> 00:48:11,640 paperwork back and forth and then we're 996 00:48:16,130 --> 00:48:14,280 going to start over remember me I'm not 997 00:48:17,870 --> 00:48:16,140 going away and if you're not giving it 998 00:48:20,030 --> 00:48:17,880 to me then I'm going to the state 999 00:48:21,890 --> 00:48:20,040 district attorney if if he's not giving 1000 00:48:23,870 --> 00:48:21,900 it to me I'm you know like they I don't 1001 00:48:25,609 --> 00:48:23,880 think that they can just it's a 30 year 1002 00:48:28,069 --> 00:48:25,619 old double murder case that nobody ever 1003 00:48:30,829 --> 00:48:28,079 solved the family would like closure 1004 00:48:32,990 --> 00:48:30,839 they won't give anything and there's all 1005 00:48:35,210 --> 00:48:33,000 kinds of conspiracy theories locally 1006 00:48:36,950 --> 00:48:35,220 about why this is people are saying that 1007 00:48:40,250 --> 00:48:36,960 it was a police officer 1008 00:48:43,250 --> 00:48:40,260 you know and and other conspiracies so 1009 00:48:45,349 --> 00:48:43,260 yeah we're gonna I'm gonna try to talk 1010 00:48:47,990 --> 00:48:45,359 to you off air about that situation but 1011 00:48:50,329 --> 00:48:48,000 I wanted to get into what are your 1012 00:48:52,670 --> 00:48:50,339 thoughts because this is coming back and 1013 00:48:54,250 --> 00:48:52,680 this stuff always goes in Cycles I want 1014 00:48:56,930 --> 00:48:54,260 to know your thoughts on 1015 00:48:59,150 --> 00:48:56,940 UFO crash retrievals is there any 1016 00:49:02,450 --> 00:48:59,160 legitimacy to all of the stories the 1017 00:49:04,970 --> 00:49:02,460 claims is it all hoaxes and then we'll 1018 00:49:06,470 --> 00:49:04,980 get into the the newest craze is 1019 00:49:08,270 --> 00:49:06,480 whistleblower that's the new key 1020 00:49:11,210 --> 00:49:08,280 everybody's a whistleblower even people 1021 00:49:13,550 --> 00:49:11,220 with no evidence Mr Brewer are suddenly 1022 00:49:15,290 --> 00:49:13,560 getting the term whistleblower attached 1023 00:49:16,910 --> 00:49:15,300 to their name and I don't think they're 1024 00:49:19,609 --> 00:49:16,920 whistleblowers if they have no evidence 1025 00:49:21,710 --> 00:49:19,619 but on the crash retrievals it appears 1026 00:49:23,750 --> 00:49:21,720 to me I have things from Leonard 1027 00:49:26,690 --> 00:49:23,760 Stringfield that go back to the 70s 1028 00:49:29,450 --> 00:49:26,700 about Crash retrievals unfortunately Mr 1029 00:49:32,390 --> 00:49:29,460 Stringfield uh would not name any of the 1030 00:49:34,370 --> 00:49:32,400 sources so it's all Source stories from 1031 00:49:36,770 --> 00:49:34,380 Anonymous sources and in some of 1032 00:49:39,890 --> 00:49:36,780 Stringfield stories it was like 1033 00:49:41,809 --> 00:49:39,900 there were six Witnesses and this person 1034 00:49:43,730 --> 00:49:41,819 said this and this person said this and 1035 00:49:45,109 --> 00:49:43,740 this person saw this and this person but 1036 00:49:46,790 --> 00:49:45,119 we're talking about like a bunch of 1037 00:49:48,190 --> 00:49:46,800 anonymous sources that no one else is 1038 00:49:50,930 --> 00:49:48,200 allowed to interview 1039 00:49:53,690 --> 00:49:50,940 fact check or or even though the names 1040 00:49:55,370 --> 00:49:53,700 of but these crash retrieval stories 1041 00:49:57,950 --> 00:49:55,380 seem to go back 1042 00:50:00,530 --> 00:49:57,960 a long way Stringfield starred at them 1043 00:50:03,470 --> 00:50:00,540 and then Bill Moore and then some other 1044 00:50:06,470 --> 00:50:03,480 people of course you know then we get 1045 00:50:08,870 --> 00:50:06,480 into Bob Lazar then we have Clifford 1046 00:50:10,190 --> 00:50:08,880 Stone there's been all of these 1047 00:50:12,650 --> 00:50:10,200 different people that were so-called 1048 00:50:15,770 --> 00:50:12,660 whistleblowers blowing the whistle on 1049 00:50:18,170 --> 00:50:15,780 the UFO crash retrievals but we never we 1050 00:50:20,630 --> 00:50:18,180 only get stories and I mean I I went 1051 00:50:22,910 --> 00:50:20,640 back and reread a lot of things on Crash 1052 00:50:25,670 --> 00:50:22,920 retrievals recently because I wanted to 1053 00:50:27,890 --> 00:50:25,680 know am I just not remembering that they 1054 00:50:31,490 --> 00:50:27,900 some of these cases and stories did have 1055 00:50:33,410 --> 00:50:31,500 evidence and no it's literally you read 1056 00:50:35,690 --> 00:50:33,420 the books you read the stories it's 1057 00:50:37,849 --> 00:50:35,700 stories lazar's a story no evidence 1058 00:50:40,490 --> 00:50:37,859 Stringfield had a book full of stories 1059 00:50:43,010 --> 00:50:40,500 no evidence and we have the Trinity case 1060 00:50:45,950 --> 00:50:43,020 that Jack filet covered that 1061 00:50:48,349 --> 00:50:45,960 spectacularly just came crashing down as 1062 00:50:51,829 --> 00:50:48,359 a complete and total fantasy it didn't 1063 00:50:54,650 --> 00:50:51,839 happen but now is there anything to the 1064 00:50:58,430 --> 00:50:54,660 crash retrievals in your opinion or is 1065 00:51:03,109 --> 00:50:58,440 this more pathology no that's a simple 1066 00:51:06,170 --> 00:51:03,119 answer no there's not a few years ago I 1067 00:51:08,589 --> 00:51:06,180 did a blog post at the UFO Trail called 1068 00:51:14,690 --> 00:51:08,599 paper UFOs 1069 00:51:18,770 --> 00:51:14,700 and it uh looked at the Modern UFO 1070 00:51:23,930 --> 00:51:18,780 phenomenon like from 1940s to present 1071 00:51:26,990 --> 00:51:23,940 and crash Retreat crash saucers is just 1072 00:51:32,150 --> 00:51:27,000 a recurring theme all through every 1073 00:51:34,849 --> 00:51:32,160 decade and many many instances that we 1074 00:51:35,750 --> 00:51:34,859 don't even talk about a lot 1075 00:51:37,510 --> 00:51:35,760 um 1076 00:51:41,510 --> 00:51:37,520 and 1077 00:51:44,809 --> 00:51:41,520 per usual when you try to really get get 1078 00:51:47,690 --> 00:51:44,819 the evidence these stories dissipate 1079 00:51:50,690 --> 00:51:47,700 there was one a few years back 1080 00:51:54,950 --> 00:51:50,700 uh about the Great Lakes dive company 1081 00:51:59,089 --> 00:51:54,960 that claimed uh that they had sonar 1082 00:52:01,730 --> 00:51:59,099 images of uh these shocking shapes on 1083 00:52:04,010 --> 00:52:01,740 the bottom of I believe it was Lake 1084 00:52:05,210 --> 00:52:04,020 Superior or where oh I think that's the 1085 00:52:07,849 --> 00:52:05,220 one that looked like the Millennium 1086 00:52:10,250 --> 00:52:07,859 Falcon but it was just rocks yeah and 1087 00:52:13,490 --> 00:52:10,260 they they were correlating it with an 1088 00:52:17,150 --> 00:52:13,500 old UFO report of a plane that went down 1089 00:52:20,390 --> 00:52:17,160 at the time and James carrion and Frank 1090 00:52:24,650 --> 00:52:20,400 Warren really looked hard into that one 1091 00:52:25,390 --> 00:52:24,660 and uh when they tried to 1092 00:52:29,089 --> 00:52:25,400 um 1093 00:52:32,390 --> 00:52:29,099 get Great Lakes dive company under a 1094 00:52:34,970 --> 00:52:32,400 glass uh the guy just stopped 1095 00:52:37,069 --> 00:52:34,980 communicating and the whole story just I 1096 00:52:38,750 --> 00:52:37,079 remember yeah the whole story went away 1097 00:52:41,030 --> 00:52:38,760 and there was supposed to be a second 1098 00:52:42,650 --> 00:52:41,040 there was supposed to be a big dive and 1099 00:52:45,049 --> 00:52:42,660 they were going to get the evidence but 1100 00:52:47,870 --> 00:52:45,059 it seems to me like a lot of Chase the 1101 00:52:50,630 --> 00:52:47,880 carrot like that like fantastic claims 1102 00:52:52,490 --> 00:52:50,640 and I did a piece on this where I talked 1103 00:52:54,589 --> 00:52:52,500 about this a lot of these so-called 1104 00:52:56,990 --> 00:52:54,599 whistleblowers and UFO crash for triple 1105 00:52:58,490 --> 00:52:57,000 stories it's like we get a story and 1106 00:52:59,930 --> 00:52:58,500 then they they promise that they're 1107 00:53:02,750 --> 00:52:59,940 gonna come through with some evidence 1108 00:53:04,609 --> 00:53:02,760 but that time never comes and they 1109 00:53:06,710 --> 00:53:04,619 either vanish or they're on to the next 1110 00:53:08,930 --> 00:53:06,720 story 1111 00:53:11,270 --> 00:53:08,940 um I I do think however that it's 1112 00:53:13,730 --> 00:53:11,280 important to point out Mr Brewer that 1113 00:53:15,829 --> 00:53:13,740 there are actual crash retrieval 1114 00:53:18,410 --> 00:53:15,839 programs in the United States 1115 00:53:20,270 --> 00:53:18,420 if a Soviet satellite goes down a 1116 00:53:23,510 --> 00:53:20,280 Chinese drone a Chinese balloon whatever 1117 00:53:25,970 --> 00:53:23,520 any adversarial technology that crashes 1118 00:53:29,150 --> 00:53:25,980 whether it be space technology Aerospace 1119 00:53:30,950 --> 00:53:29,160 technology drone technology any kind of 1120 00:53:33,530 --> 00:53:30,960 Technology if if the United States 1121 00:53:35,809 --> 00:53:33,540 government can get their hands on it and 1122 00:53:37,790 --> 00:53:35,819 take it apart for intelligence purposes 1123 00:53:39,710 --> 00:53:37,800 to see what these guys are what our 1124 00:53:42,109 --> 00:53:39,720 adversaries have what capabilities have 1125 00:53:45,829 --> 00:53:42,119 they do that and I think that some of 1126 00:53:48,049 --> 00:53:45,839 these people may have confused some kind 1127 00:53:49,970 --> 00:53:48,059 of adversarial technology because of the 1128 00:53:51,890 --> 00:53:49,980 compartmentalization like what if you 1129 00:53:54,770 --> 00:53:51,900 were just given metal fragments from a 1130 00:53:56,930 --> 00:53:54,780 Chinese drone and it used some kind of 1131 00:53:58,010 --> 00:53:56,940 metal 3D printing which is just coming 1132 00:54:00,349 --> 00:53:58,020 online 1133 00:54:02,870 --> 00:54:00,359 that material would look very strange to 1134 00:54:05,329 --> 00:54:02,880 somebody who hadn't wasn't familiar with 1135 00:54:06,710 --> 00:54:05,339 it there may be rumors people talking 1136 00:54:08,450 --> 00:54:06,720 back and forth do you think this is 1137 00:54:10,730 --> 00:54:08,460 maybe from Aliens because we don't know 1138 00:54:12,530 --> 00:54:10,740 what it is and then and then people get 1139 00:54:14,690 --> 00:54:12,540 a whiff of that 1140 00:54:17,569 --> 00:54:14,700 of those stories within the intelligence 1141 00:54:20,390 --> 00:54:17,579 community and somehow this gets turned 1142 00:54:22,670 --> 00:54:20,400 into aliens but for sure we've we I know 1143 00:54:24,230 --> 00:54:22,680 project Moon dust I have paperwork from 1144 00:54:26,329 --> 00:54:24,240 that and other 1145 00:54:28,849 --> 00:54:26,339 projects that there have been to grab 1146 00:54:32,270 --> 00:54:28,859 Soviet technology we grabbed Soviet a 1147 00:54:34,910 --> 00:54:32,280 whole Soviet Mig we once spent a ton of 1148 00:54:41,290 --> 00:54:34,920 money to pull a Soviet we were trying to 1149 00:54:47,329 --> 00:54:44,390 provided by a billionaire yeah yeah it's 1150 00:54:49,730 --> 00:54:47,339 correct very interesting 1151 00:54:51,470 --> 00:54:49,740 yeah so they try to get a hold get their 1152 00:54:53,450 --> 00:54:51,480 hands on any foreign adversary 1153 00:54:55,490 --> 00:54:53,460 technology they can to take apart and 1154 00:54:58,430 --> 00:54:55,500 learn from and check out their 1155 00:55:00,589 --> 00:54:58,440 capabilities but I I 1156 00:55:03,650 --> 00:55:00,599 would love to believe that the aliens 1157 00:55:06,349 --> 00:55:03,660 you know for whatever reason they crash 1158 00:55:08,870 --> 00:55:06,359 and and we got a hold of it and it is it 1159 00:55:11,030 --> 00:55:08,880 is it's thought provoking like what if 1160 00:55:12,349 --> 00:55:11,040 Roswell really was alien spacecraft they 1161 00:55:14,990 --> 00:55:12,359 covered it up they've got they had 1162 00:55:17,450 --> 00:55:15,000 bodies biological samples they had weird 1163 00:55:20,809 --> 00:55:17,460 technology that they that they you know 1164 00:55:23,809 --> 00:55:20,819 put it put away in their studying but 1165 00:55:26,210 --> 00:55:23,819 you know mostly we have stories we don't 1166 00:55:28,069 --> 00:55:26,220 have physical evidence and by the way I 1167 00:55:31,069 --> 00:55:28,079 should mention Mr Brewer that I have 1168 00:55:33,130 --> 00:55:31,079 some materials that someone gave me and 1169 00:55:36,170 --> 00:55:33,140 claimed is 1170 00:55:38,870 --> 00:55:36,180 extraterrestrial peace metal fragments 1171 00:55:41,569 --> 00:55:38,880 from an extraterrestrial spacecraft 1172 00:55:44,870 --> 00:55:41,579 I have tried I'm gonna get somebody to 1173 00:55:47,329 --> 00:55:44,880 do uh uh you know an elemental and 1174 00:55:50,030 --> 00:55:47,339 isotopic Analysis of it but it's very 1175 00:55:53,150 --> 00:55:50,040 expensive so it's sitting in a drawer I 1176 00:55:55,130 --> 00:55:53,160 may have the Smoking Gun of alien crash 1177 00:55:56,690 --> 00:55:55,140 retrieval just sitting in a drawer but I 1178 00:55:59,049 --> 00:55:56,700 need like a thousand bucks to pay 1179 00:56:02,030 --> 00:55:59,059 somebody to do the analysis 1180 00:56:05,569 --> 00:56:02,040 you know and to me 1181 00:56:07,309 --> 00:56:05,579 these claims of alien technology we've 1182 00:56:09,950 --> 00:56:07,319 got Gary Nolan 1183 00:56:12,609 --> 00:56:09,960 claiming uh you know he's looking at 1184 00:56:15,829 --> 00:56:12,619 Arts Parts we have Arts Parts that were 1185 00:56:17,630 --> 00:56:15,839 largely debunked and you know people 1186 00:56:19,790 --> 00:56:17,640 making all these Fantastical claims 1187 00:56:23,270 --> 00:56:19,800 about meta materials was a big buzzword 1188 00:56:26,329 --> 00:56:23,280 a few years ago and uh you know meta 1189 00:56:28,910 --> 00:56:26,339 materials doesn't mean alien it means a 1190 00:56:30,770 --> 00:56:28,920 strange weird new manufacturing process 1191 00:56:35,390 --> 00:56:30,780 for a material that's what it means 1192 00:56:38,210 --> 00:56:35,400 generally uh so it seems to me like that 1193 00:56:40,730 --> 00:56:38,220 this is all wishful thinking like 1194 00:56:42,829 --> 00:56:40,740 because I don't know what you know about 1195 00:56:45,349 --> 00:56:42,839 this but they you know if you have a 1196 00:56:47,210 --> 00:56:45,359 mental sample you put it in a mass 1197 00:56:48,950 --> 00:56:47,220 spectrometer it'll tell you what 1198 00:56:51,230 --> 00:56:48,960 elements it's made of if you have a mass 1199 00:56:53,510 --> 00:56:51,240 spectrometer capable of isotopic ratios 1200 00:56:56,390 --> 00:56:53,520 it'll tell you if it's normal Earthly 1201 00:56:58,130 --> 00:56:56,400 ordinary metals or if it came from 1202 00:57:00,109 --> 00:56:58,140 another star system you'd be able to 1203 00:57:01,609 --> 00:57:00,119 tell that instantly from the isotopic 1204 00:57:03,290 --> 00:57:01,619 ratios which would be different in 1205 00:57:05,349 --> 00:57:03,300 another star system for the same 1206 00:57:09,049 --> 00:57:05,359 material so aluminum would be different 1207 00:57:10,609 --> 00:57:09,059 isotopes then and iron magnesium 1208 00:57:13,069 --> 00:57:10,619 whatever the element is it would be 1209 00:57:15,950 --> 00:57:13,079 different if it came from Proxima 1210 00:57:17,930 --> 00:57:15,960 Centauri if it was aluminum from Proxima 1211 00:57:20,210 --> 00:57:17,940 Centauri we might not know it was from 1212 00:57:23,930 --> 00:57:20,220 Proxima Centauri but we would know this 1213 00:57:27,530 --> 00:57:23,940 was not from our Earth Solar System here 1214 00:57:29,569 --> 00:57:27,540 and all these people seem to like gloss 1215 00:57:31,910 --> 00:57:29,579 over that that it's so simple to 1216 00:57:34,609 --> 00:57:31,920 determine if a metal is from another 1217 00:57:36,650 --> 00:57:34,619 world or not and they just they don't 1218 00:57:39,349 --> 00:57:36,660 deliver the goods and then they make 1219 00:57:42,109 --> 00:57:39,359 excuses you know we had this uh ball 1220 00:57:44,630 --> 00:57:42,119 shavings you know that have Ross cultart 1221 00:57:46,970 --> 00:57:44,640 with the big metal ball like we've got 1222 00:57:49,250 --> 00:57:46,980 he said they had conclusive proof of 1223 00:57:51,589 --> 00:57:49,260 alien technology all confirmed by this 1224 00:57:53,630 --> 00:57:51,599 man and then in the promos he cut to a 1225 00:57:55,430 --> 00:57:53,640 shot of Michio Kaku Michio Kaku didn't 1226 00:57:57,890 --> 00:57:55,440 confirm anything they didn't even do the 1227 00:57:59,750 --> 00:57:57,900 analysis yet it's been a year 1228 00:58:01,490 --> 00:57:59,760 it's one of those stories where they 1229 00:58:03,230 --> 00:58:01,500 promise evidence but and they're going 1230 00:58:06,829 --> 00:58:03,240 to bring it to us but then the story 1231 00:58:12,890 --> 00:58:09,109 absolutely 1232 00:58:15,490 --> 00:58:12,900 um I have a couple of go-to people that 1233 00:58:20,390 --> 00:58:15,500 actually have you know chemistry degrees 1234 00:58:22,910 --> 00:58:20,400 and uh our our scientists and I'll I'll 1235 00:58:27,490 --> 00:58:22,920 give them a link and say 1236 00:58:30,410 --> 00:58:27,500 is it does this sound right you know 1237 00:58:33,890 --> 00:58:30,420 stories come along and they're like me 1238 00:58:36,650 --> 00:58:33,900 oh my God they they are just like this 1239 00:58:38,630 --> 00:58:36,660 is like designed to for people that 1240 00:58:41,470 --> 00:58:38,640 don't know what the hell they're talking 1241 00:58:47,569 --> 00:58:45,049 why they they do this 1242 00:58:50,470 --> 00:58:47,579 um certainly you know for some people 1243 00:58:56,809 --> 00:58:50,480 it's money for some it's attention 1244 00:59:00,230 --> 00:58:56,819 uh I I really couldn't say why 1245 00:59:03,349 --> 00:59:00,240 um why government contractors and 1246 00:59:06,109 --> 00:59:03,359 intelligence Personnel get get so 1247 00:59:08,809 --> 00:59:06,119 wrapped up in this 1248 00:59:12,170 --> 00:59:08,819 um I I think there's a lot of reasons 1249 00:59:15,589 --> 00:59:12,180 and that is what I've actually come to 1250 00:59:18,950 --> 00:59:15,599 find fascinating is the social aspects 1251 00:59:21,230 --> 00:59:18,960 of it and the things we can foia and the 1252 00:59:24,109 --> 00:59:21,240 things we can look for in like what 1253 00:59:27,230 --> 00:59:24,119 you're saying Steve about these 1254 00:59:31,849 --> 00:59:27,240 different programs and how people may 1255 00:59:34,870 --> 00:59:31,859 mean well but maybe misguided and you 1256 00:59:37,789 --> 00:59:34,880 know there's just a a whole 1257 00:59:40,490 --> 00:59:37,799 aspect of it a whole perspective we 1258 00:59:44,809 --> 00:59:40,500 could look at where 1259 00:59:47,770 --> 00:59:44,819 there's interest by adversaries as well 1260 00:59:50,589 --> 00:59:47,780 that if they can get the American public 1261 00:59:53,270 --> 00:59:50,599 literally harassing 1262 00:59:58,750 --> 00:59:53,280 intelligence officials and agency 1263 01:00:01,849 --> 00:59:58,760 spokespeople to document to trans uh to 1264 01:00:05,089 --> 01:00:01,859 declassify more documents and to answer 1265 01:00:07,030 --> 01:00:05,099 questions about this program and that 1266 01:00:10,789 --> 01:00:07,040 program 1267 01:00:14,089 --> 01:00:10,799 then that that's certainly not something 1268 01:00:18,289 --> 01:00:14,099 that those agencies are are happy about 1269 01:00:21,890 --> 01:00:18,299 you know and and but then it you know 1270 01:00:24,349 --> 01:00:21,900 the way agencies are is they'll kind of 1271 01:00:27,289 --> 01:00:24,359 spin that around and say well then we'll 1272 01:00:30,230 --> 01:00:27,299 promote it ourselves and we'll look for 1273 01:00:33,950 --> 01:00:30,240 the people that have inordinate 1274 01:00:37,730 --> 01:00:33,960 interests in this and and they they 1275 01:00:42,950 --> 01:00:37,740 don't seem to be the stereotypical UFO 1276 01:00:45,770 --> 01:00:42,960 person but uh foreign Nationals that 1277 01:00:48,349 --> 01:00:45,780 want to know about these isotope ratios 1278 01:00:51,349 --> 01:00:48,359 that are uh 1279 01:00:55,370 --> 01:00:51,359 pushing the UFO stories and you just end 1280 01:00:58,210 --> 01:00:55,380 up with a whole convoluted complex game 1281 01:01:02,210 --> 01:00:58,220 of intelligence and Counter Intelligence 1282 01:01:05,030 --> 01:01:02,220 and I I think in a lot of circumstances 1283 01:01:09,710 --> 01:01:05,040 the public has come to be considered 1284 01:01:12,289 --> 01:01:09,720 just collateral damage in that and uh 1285 01:01:17,750 --> 01:01:12,299 contractors don't care that are just 1286 01:01:20,630 --> 01:01:17,760 trying to to get big money contracts 1287 01:01:23,170 --> 01:01:20,640 um defense agencies don't care that are 1288 01:01:26,450 --> 01:01:23,180 wanting increases and budgets 1289 01:01:30,309 --> 01:01:26,460 politicians certainly don't care that 1290 01:01:35,030 --> 01:01:30,319 are just informed by their Consultants 1291 01:01:36,890 --> 01:01:35,040 as to whether a story like UAP 1292 01:01:39,890 --> 01:01:36,900 whether 1293 01:01:42,230 --> 01:01:39,900 they start talking about it at the point 1294 01:01:44,750 --> 01:01:42,240 Consultants tell them it would be more 1295 01:01:48,109 --> 01:01:44,760 advantageous to get on this bandwagon 1296 01:01:53,390 --> 01:01:48,119 than not and that's that's when Marco 1297 01:01:56,569 --> 01:01:53,400 Rubio and that nut and c and the rest of 1298 01:01:57,950 --> 01:01:56,579 them start talking about you yeah is the 1299 01:02:00,130 --> 01:01:57,960 one who's going to hold the hearings 1300 01:02:03,230 --> 01:02:00,140 with the new whistleblower David yeah 1301 01:02:06,170 --> 01:02:03,240 who believes in UFOs because they're in 1302 01:02:08,690 --> 01:02:06,180 the Bible that that is correct or at 1303 01:02:11,510 --> 01:02:08,700 least that's his story and he's sticking 1304 01:02:18,349 --> 01:02:15,010 I I mean we we could do a whole thesis 1305 01:02:22,849 --> 01:02:18,359 on this uh 1306 01:02:25,010 --> 01:02:22,859 community of people that a a bare 1307 01:02:29,750 --> 01:02:25,020 minimum of them 1308 01:02:32,930 --> 01:02:29,760 give a damn what's true or not 1309 01:02:35,510 --> 01:02:32,940 yeah and and I have seen sort of this 1310 01:02:39,170 --> 01:02:35,520 purposeful manipulative 1311 01:02:41,690 --> 01:02:39,180 way of deceptively crafting a story 1312 01:02:43,430 --> 01:02:41,700 over and over again it seems to me that 1313 01:02:46,370 --> 01:02:43,440 they sit down and they think about like 1314 01:02:48,950 --> 01:02:46,380 how can we uh you know play up the 1315 01:02:52,430 --> 01:02:48,960 strengths of the story being true and 1316 01:02:55,190 --> 01:02:52,440 play down this the the you know evidence 1317 01:02:57,950 --> 01:02:55,200 that it's not true and deceptively we 1318 01:03:00,170 --> 01:02:57,960 see this Crush story it seems to be 1319 01:03:02,329 --> 01:03:00,180 falling apart like they reported all 1320 01:03:04,670 --> 01:03:02,339 these things that we now know were not 1321 01:03:07,370 --> 01:03:04,680 accurate and this Mr grush is also 1322 01:03:09,890 --> 01:03:07,380 apparently heavily connected I did a 1323 01:03:12,890 --> 01:03:09,900 story uh we were had the exclusive that 1324 01:03:15,589 --> 01:03:12,900 Mr grush and Gary Nolan went to Canadian 1325 01:03:18,589 --> 01:03:15,599 Parliament before his so-called 1326 01:03:19,910 --> 01:03:18,599 disclosure here in the United States and 1327 01:03:21,410 --> 01:03:19,920 they had meetings with members of the 1328 01:03:22,670 --> 01:03:21,420 Canadian Parliament where he told the 1329 01:03:25,370 --> 01:03:22,680 same stories 1330 01:03:27,349 --> 01:03:25,380 and offered no evidence and in that 1331 01:03:29,210 --> 01:03:27,359 exchange 1332 01:03:32,089 --> 01:03:29,220 um Mr grush started talking about 1333 01:03:33,650 --> 01:03:32,099 something in soda Gary Nolan and Ross 1334 01:03:36,170 --> 01:03:33,660 coldthart cautioned them that they had 1335 01:03:38,329 --> 01:03:36,180 to save that for the documentary so 1336 01:03:41,990 --> 01:03:38,339 apparently this Mr grush already had a 1337 01:03:43,069 --> 01:03:42,000 documentary deal before he became a 1338 01:03:45,470 --> 01:03:43,079 public figure 1339 01:03:48,410 --> 01:03:45,480 and he also wiped his internet presence 1340 01:03:50,630 --> 01:03:48,420 of of his previous businesses in his 1341 01:03:53,809 --> 01:03:50,640 local area and every web page with 1342 01:03:56,030 --> 01:03:53,819 pictures of him and you know I thought 1343 01:03:59,630 --> 01:03:56,040 that was suspicious and 1344 01:04:02,930 --> 01:03:59,640 the guy uh spent some time working for 1345 01:04:04,430 --> 01:04:02,940 uh you know working in information 1346 01:04:06,530 --> 01:04:04,440 Warfare 1347 01:04:10,670 --> 01:04:06,540 before he came out and he has all of 1348 01:04:12,950 --> 01:04:10,680 these ties to Lou Alexander and uh Eric 1349 01:04:16,549 --> 01:04:12,960 Davis and Hal put off and and it just 1350 01:04:19,490 --> 01:04:16,559 reminded me that like oh essentially I 1351 01:04:22,010 --> 01:04:19,500 feel like that this guy is just the the 1352 01:04:25,730 --> 01:04:22,020 sequel to a movie we've already seen 1353 01:04:28,010 --> 01:04:25,740 right and but he's the new the new guy 1354 01:04:30,410 --> 01:04:28,020 in the spotlight but all the rest of the 1355 01:04:34,069 --> 01:04:30,420 actors behind the scenes are the same 1356 01:04:36,109 --> 01:04:34,079 and it's suspicious to me that all of 1357 01:04:37,670 --> 01:04:36,119 the people involved in Skinwalker Ranch 1358 01:04:40,910 --> 01:04:37,680 and ttsa 1359 01:04:42,770 --> 01:04:40,920 are were Associates of this person he 1360 01:04:44,690 --> 01:04:42,780 knows all of them he spent time with 1361 01:04:46,910 --> 01:04:44,700 them I'm told he's hanging he's been 1362 01:04:48,589 --> 01:04:46,920 hanging out with those people and here 1363 01:04:50,690 --> 01:04:48,599 he comes telling the same stories they 1364 01:04:54,589 --> 01:04:50,700 told us already before but didn't prove 1365 01:04:56,569 --> 01:04:54,599 but it's a different guy right none of 1366 01:04:59,390 --> 01:04:56,579 this makes sense to me 1367 01:05:01,010 --> 01:04:59,400 and a whistleblower with no evidence can 1368 01:05:03,829 --> 01:05:01,020 we talk about that do you think a 1369 01:05:06,470 --> 01:05:03,839 whistleblower is a whistleblower if or I 1370 01:05:08,270 --> 01:05:06,480 I said that these people are including 1371 01:05:09,950 --> 01:05:08,280 Greer's so-called whistleblowers who 1372 01:05:12,530 --> 01:05:09,960 also had no evidence they got pretty 1373 01:05:14,450 --> 01:05:12,540 drawings somebody made 1374 01:05:16,730 --> 01:05:14,460 um but they don't have evidence so to me 1375 01:05:19,250 --> 01:05:16,740 it's you're not a whistleblower you're a 1376 01:05:21,589 --> 01:05:19,260 Storyteller give us the evidence and 1377 01:05:24,829 --> 01:05:21,599 then you're a whistleblower right or am 1378 01:05:27,710 --> 01:05:24,839 I wrong on that point oh you're you're 1379 01:05:28,430 --> 01:05:27,720 absolutely right I mean 1380 01:05:31,970 --> 01:05:28,440 um 1381 01:05:34,990 --> 01:05:31,980 I think Snowden is a good good example 1382 01:05:37,250 --> 01:05:35,000 of that yeah yeah terabytes of data 1383 01:05:39,430 --> 01:05:37,260 terabytes of data he gave journalists 1384 01:05:43,549 --> 01:05:39,440 yeah yeah Chelsea 1385 01:05:46,970 --> 01:05:43,559 Manning they actually have something 1386 01:05:49,849 --> 01:05:46,980 I I also think that we're at a point 1387 01:05:52,309 --> 01:05:49,859 that 1388 01:05:56,990 --> 01:05:52,319 we should expect 1389 01:05:59,890 --> 01:05:57,000 a whistleblower to 1390 01:06:03,829 --> 01:05:59,900 contact and retain 1391 01:06:07,010 --> 01:06:03,839 a an attorney firm that has National 1392 01:06:11,569 --> 01:06:07,020 Security experience 1393 01:06:14,630 --> 01:06:11,579 and I I think there's any number of them 1394 01:06:16,789 --> 01:06:14,640 that that I'm aware of and I don't have 1395 01:06:20,690 --> 01:06:16,799 anything to do with National Security 1396 01:06:24,829 --> 01:06:20,700 yet just from knowing this topic I'm 1397 01:06:28,130 --> 01:06:24,839 aware of some that uh I I think would be 1398 01:06:30,650 --> 01:06:28,140 interested in a case that that had 1399 01:06:34,370 --> 01:06:30,660 legitimate 1400 01:06:38,329 --> 01:06:34,380 um evidence about not not just UFOs but 1401 01:06:42,829 --> 01:06:38,339 that what they do is handle cases where 1402 01:06:45,829 --> 01:06:42,839 the individuals are concerned about 1403 01:06:49,430 --> 01:06:45,839 um the process and and the ethics 1404 01:06:52,150 --> 01:06:49,440 involved in what they've become aware of 1405 01:06:56,270 --> 01:06:52,160 when they don't have 1406 01:07:00,230 --> 01:06:56,280 counsel like that and and I I mean this 1407 01:07:03,349 --> 01:07:00,240 was just terrible when the law firm 1408 01:07:08,029 --> 01:07:03,359 you know virtually immediately announced 1409 01:07:11,049 --> 01:07:08,039 that it was no longer uh associated with 1410 01:07:14,270 --> 01:07:11,059 Mr Grouch I mean 1411 01:07:22,270 --> 01:07:14,280 this just isn't what we should expect to 1412 01:07:30,230 --> 01:07:25,970 it looks more like a human resource 1413 01:07:33,589 --> 01:07:30,240 complaint and I I feel like that the law 1414 01:07:36,410 --> 01:07:33,599 firm was stating that as well that we 1415 01:07:38,870 --> 01:07:36,420 didn't represent him about crash 1416 01:07:42,609 --> 01:07:38,880 retrievals and such we were just 1417 01:07:46,010 --> 01:07:42,619 representing uh his due process 1418 01:07:47,990 --> 01:07:46,020 complaints about how he was treated 1419 01:07:50,990 --> 01:07:48,000 or isn't it rare though for an attorney 1420 01:07:53,270 --> 01:07:51,000 to just say to issue a statement to say 1421 01:07:57,289 --> 01:07:53,280 we no longer represent him and we don't 1422 01:07:59,150 --> 01:07:57,299 support his his claims and also it would 1423 01:08:01,190 --> 01:07:59,160 appear to me that there's a lot of 1424 01:08:03,589 --> 01:08:01,200 deceptions in this story and one of them 1425 01:08:07,069 --> 01:08:03,599 that is that the intelligence Community 1426 01:08:09,670 --> 01:08:07,079 Inspector General found his claims to be 1427 01:08:12,289 --> 01:08:09,680 urgent and credible but then we find out 1428 01:08:14,569 --> 01:08:12,299 they're they're talking about his claims 1429 01:08:17,269 --> 01:08:14,579 of some kind of reprisal or retaliation 1430 01:08:18,950 --> 01:08:17,279 they're not endorsing the people selling 1431 01:08:20,630 --> 01:08:18,960 the story made it seem like the 1432 01:08:23,150 --> 01:08:20,640 intelligence Community Inspector General 1433 01:08:25,550 --> 01:08:23,160 was calling his claims of aliens and 1434 01:08:27,650 --> 01:08:25,560 crash retrievals and bodies 1435 01:08:29,630 --> 01:08:27,660 urgent and credible when they were only 1436 01:08:32,630 --> 01:08:29,640 commenting on the complaint that he 1437 01:08:35,630 --> 01:08:32,640 filed and there also seems to be 1438 01:08:38,090 --> 01:08:35,640 a little bit of uh connect the dots you 1439 01:08:41,209 --> 01:08:38,100 have to do but it may very well be that 1440 01:08:43,729 --> 01:08:41,219 this person got reprimanded or 1441 01:08:45,530 --> 01:08:43,739 investigated for releasing classified 1442 01:08:49,010 --> 01:08:45,540 information to 1443 01:08:50,630 --> 01:08:49,020 UFO Peddlers in the form of George Knapp 1444 01:08:53,209 --> 01:08:50,640 and Jeremy Corbell 1445 01:08:55,070 --> 01:08:53,219 so I think that story is going to come 1446 01:08:58,189 --> 01:08:55,080 crashing down but isn't it interesting 1447 01:09:00,610 --> 01:08:58,199 that the original article had so many 1448 01:09:05,030 --> 01:09:00,620 deceptions in it 1449 01:09:09,349 --> 01:09:05,040 I I think that's a fair thing to say I I 1450 01:09:12,470 --> 01:09:09,359 I interpreted it that way I I really you 1451 01:09:17,209 --> 01:09:12,480 know I don't have the the experience to 1452 01:09:19,789 --> 01:09:17,219 say whether it's odd that a law firm 1453 01:09:22,249 --> 01:09:19,799 um released a statement like that but 1454 01:09:24,249 --> 01:09:22,259 like you and everybody else I can 1455 01:09:27,769 --> 01:09:24,259 certainly you know 1456 01:09:30,289 --> 01:09:27,779 use what brains God gave me and say well 1457 01:09:35,749 --> 01:09:30,299 that sure doesn't help without the story 1458 01:09:38,570 --> 01:09:35,759 you know yes and also the the mention of 1459 01:09:42,729 --> 01:09:38,580 uh John from the black fold had an 1460 01:09:46,130 --> 01:09:42,739 excellent uh sort of uh mini story today 1461 01:09:49,030 --> 01:09:46,140 that all of the the major tenets of this 1462 01:09:52,130 --> 01:09:49,040 story including the 1933 Italy crash 1463 01:09:53,930 --> 01:09:52,140 claims of bodies and recovered material 1464 01:09:57,650 --> 01:09:53,940 and all of this were used on someone 1465 01:09:59,689 --> 01:09:57,660 before Mr grush the same storyline the 1466 01:10:01,610 --> 01:09:59,699 same information that he's repeating was 1467 01:10:04,669 --> 01:10:01,620 used on the this person that was 1468 01:10:08,390 --> 01:10:04,679 secretly filmed for elizondo's 1469 01:10:11,090 --> 01:10:08,400 television show and he felt misled and 1470 01:10:14,330 --> 01:10:11,100 uh you know taken advantage of 1471 01:10:16,850 --> 01:10:14,340 so the whole thing starts to fall apart 1472 01:10:19,430 --> 01:10:16,860 to me we've got all of these people that 1473 01:10:22,010 --> 01:10:19,440 were that did this before and Blumenthal 1474 01:10:24,050 --> 01:10:22,020 and Keane have been incredibly deceptive 1475 01:10:26,390 --> 01:10:24,060 before to sell a story and here we are 1476 01:10:28,970 --> 01:10:26,400 again and now we're catching them that a 1477 01:10:30,350 --> 01:10:28,980 lot of the things in their article were 1478 01:10:33,169 --> 01:10:30,360 completely and totally factually 1479 01:10:34,490 --> 01:10:33,179 inaccurate and and I think that this is 1480 01:10:38,090 --> 01:10:34,500 not 1481 01:10:40,550 --> 01:10:38,100 a mistake you know it's like they have a 1482 01:10:42,970 --> 01:10:40,560 history of massaging the data to sell 1483 01:10:44,689 --> 01:10:42,980 the story and make the story believable 1484 01:10:47,750 --> 01:10:44,699 you know 1485 01:10:50,390 --> 01:10:47,760 Keenan Kane and Blumenthal downplayed 1486 01:10:52,669 --> 01:10:50,400 the skinwalker poltergeists and Dino 1487 01:10:54,410 --> 01:10:52,679 beavers and they just and they got so 1488 01:10:56,630 --> 01:10:54,420 many facts wrong and their primary 1489 01:10:58,250 --> 01:10:56,640 source for that story was Lou Elizondo 1490 01:10:59,930 --> 01:10:58,260 so whose fault is it that they got all 1491 01:11:02,689 --> 01:10:59,940 the facts wrong they didn't fact check 1492 01:11:05,030 --> 01:11:02,699 him they just ran with what he said and 1493 01:11:07,790 --> 01:11:05,040 here we go again this guy just says 1494 01:11:09,590 --> 01:11:07,800 these things has no documents a big red 1495 01:11:11,990 --> 01:11:09,600 flag for me is that on news Nation 1496 01:11:14,209 --> 01:11:12,000 somebody asked Leslie Kane is is it a 1497 01:11:15,950 --> 01:11:14,219 problem for you or a red flag that you 1498 01:11:19,189 --> 01:11:15,960 haven't seen any evidence and she said 1499 01:11:21,110 --> 01:11:19,199 absolutely not and I almost fell off my 1500 01:11:23,090 --> 01:11:21,120 chair you mean to tell me that this guy 1501 01:11:25,790 --> 01:11:23,100 is saying all these Fantastical things 1502 01:11:28,550 --> 01:11:25,800 and you don't consider it a red flag 1503 01:11:30,350 --> 01:11:28,560 that he has not shown you even the 1504 01:11:31,910 --> 01:11:30,360 person writing the article the evidence 1505 01:11:33,830 --> 01:11:31,920 and then there's this issue over the 1506 01:11:35,870 --> 01:11:33,840 bodies she said oh we're not going to 1507 01:11:38,810 --> 01:11:35,880 talk about the bodies that that wasn't 1508 01:11:40,490 --> 01:11:38,820 in my article but if this guy is saying 1509 01:11:42,410 --> 01:11:40,500 bodies why wouldn't that be in your 1510 01:11:43,790 --> 01:11:42,420 article she purposefully let it left it 1511 01:11:45,890 --> 01:11:43,800 out because that was a bridge too far 1512 01:11:48,410 --> 01:11:45,900 for her or something it's like this 1513 01:11:50,209 --> 01:11:48,420 whole thing is one carefully it seems 1514 01:11:52,189 --> 01:11:50,219 like stagecraft to me it seems like 1515 01:11:54,410 --> 01:11:52,199 theater like let's 1516 01:11:56,450 --> 01:11:54,420 show everybody the illusion of a 1517 01:11:58,490 --> 01:11:56,460 government whistleblower that has the 1518 01:12:00,350 --> 01:11:58,500 truth about the crash retrievals and the 1519 01:12:03,530 --> 01:12:00,360 and the flying saucers were back 1520 01:12:06,110 --> 01:12:03,540 engineering it's it seems very contrived 1521 01:12:08,930 --> 01:12:06,120 and almost childish in its 1522 01:12:12,770 --> 01:12:08,940 in its deception to to create this 1523 01:12:15,410 --> 01:12:12,780 illusion or is this you know just True 1524 01:12:19,070 --> 01:12:15,420 Believers true believing 1525 01:12:23,090 --> 01:12:19,080 it it's hard to tell motive 1526 01:12:27,890 --> 01:12:23,100 um Leslie Kane had been accused of and 1527 01:12:30,649 --> 01:12:27,900 did uh and many stories over the years 1528 01:12:33,830 --> 01:12:30,659 um asserted things that she could not 1529 01:12:36,350 --> 01:12:33,840 show to be accurate in the stories and I 1530 01:12:40,970 --> 01:12:36,360 could give you specific examples I've 1531 01:12:43,310 --> 01:12:40,980 written about them yeah yeah the Chilean 1532 01:12:46,729 --> 01:12:43,320 air show where she claimed there were 1533 01:12:50,510 --> 01:12:46,739 like five different shots from different 1534 01:12:54,229 --> 01:12:50,520 video cameras never produced them she 1535 01:12:57,770 --> 01:12:54,239 didn't have them it would appear uh she 1536 01:13:02,149 --> 01:12:57,780 was all in on the Jim mortellero alien 1537 01:13:04,310 --> 01:13:02,159 abduction with uh Bud Hopkins that 1538 01:13:06,970 --> 01:13:04,320 um eventually 1539 01:13:10,070 --> 01:13:06,980 um other associations 1540 01:13:14,990 --> 01:13:10,080 release statements that it was a 1541 01:13:19,550 --> 01:13:15,000 fraudulent case uh she she was studying 1542 01:13:24,350 --> 01:13:19,560 that that Japanese Airline case uh uh 1543 01:13:27,410 --> 01:13:24,360 over near uh and uh she claimed she had 1544 01:13:29,870 --> 01:13:27,420 a source claiming there was a cover-up I 1545 01:13:32,810 --> 01:13:29,880 knew some researchers in contact with 1546 01:13:35,630 --> 01:13:32,820 her that they had two sources that were 1547 01:13:38,630 --> 01:13:35,640 at the meeting that she was claiming the 1548 01:13:42,470 --> 01:13:38,640 cover-up was issued their sources said 1549 01:13:45,530 --> 01:13:42,480 Not only was no cover-up issued but that 1550 01:13:51,470 --> 01:13:45,540 information was disseminated and and 1551 01:13:54,169 --> 01:13:51,480 given out for analysis and she not only 1552 01:13:57,410 --> 01:13:54,179 ignored this and proceeded with her 1553 01:14:01,030 --> 01:13:57,420 version of the story but obstructed 1554 01:14:03,410 --> 01:14:01,040 contact between those researchers 1555 01:14:05,750 --> 01:14:03,420 yeah she didn't want her sourcing her 1556 01:14:08,570 --> 01:14:05,760 story to fall apart and you know most 1557 01:14:11,990 --> 01:14:08,580 troubling for me is that I have to ask 1558 01:14:13,669 --> 01:14:12,000 you know because I have many I have many 1559 01:14:15,649 --> 01:14:13,679 friends that are just True Believers and 1560 01:14:17,870 --> 01:14:15,659 a few of them I I kind of got aside and 1561 01:14:20,030 --> 01:14:17,880 I said you gotta you gotta answer a 1562 01:14:23,110 --> 01:14:20,040 question for me is it not relevant that 1563 01:14:26,090 --> 01:14:23,120 Leslie Kane has been caught selling 100 1564 01:14:29,750 --> 01:14:26,100 provably fake stories before multiple 1565 01:14:32,750 --> 01:14:29,760 times and also that she was married to 1566 01:14:34,130 --> 01:14:32,760 or lived with this uh I always get him 1567 01:14:35,810 --> 01:14:34,140 confused don't get him I got him 1568 01:14:38,689 --> 01:14:35,820 confused last time I confused John Mack 1569 01:14:41,750 --> 01:14:38,699 and Bud Hopkins so she had a a romantic 1570 01:14:43,970 --> 01:14:41,760 relationship living you know common law 1571 01:14:46,550 --> 01:14:43,980 with uh Bud Hopkins who was just an 1572 01:14:48,649 --> 01:14:46,560 artist and somehow everybody he 1573 01:14:51,290 --> 01:14:48,659 hypnotized when he had no training or 1574 01:14:53,930 --> 01:14:51,300 you know degree in hypnosis or 1575 01:14:57,050 --> 01:14:53,940 Psychology was suddenly an alien 1576 01:14:59,330 --> 01:14:57,060 abduction victim and also Leslie Kane is 1577 01:15:01,250 --> 01:14:59,340 a True Believer of many strange things 1578 01:15:02,930 --> 01:15:01,260 she believes in ghosts in the afterlife 1579 01:15:07,130 --> 01:15:02,940 which is there's nothing wrong with that 1580 01:15:08,030 --> 01:15:07,140 but she Mr Brewer she believes in all of 1581 01:15:18,890 --> 01:15:08,040 the 1582 01:15:20,270 --> 01:15:18,900 she believes that's real so I asked my 1583 01:15:22,310 --> 01:15:20,280 True Believer friends like isn't this 1584 01:15:24,890 --> 01:15:22,320 relevant that this woman has all these 1585 01:15:26,810 --> 01:15:24,900 wacky beliefs and you're just going to 1586 01:15:29,450 --> 01:15:26,820 trust that the story she's telling you 1587 01:15:30,890 --> 01:15:29,460 is accurate don't you think we have to 1588 01:15:33,169 --> 01:15:30,900 look at the history of the people 1589 01:15:35,030 --> 01:15:33,179 bringing us the story and by the way 1590 01:15:37,010 --> 01:15:35,040 Ross colthard has also been caught 1591 01:15:39,890 --> 01:15:37,020 selling provably fake stories multiple 1592 01:15:41,930 --> 01:15:39,900 times he was let go or contract not 1593 01:15:44,209 --> 01:15:41,940 renewed for 60 Minutes Australia because 1594 01:15:46,250 --> 01:15:44,219 of a completely and totally inaccurate 1595 01:15:48,530 --> 01:15:46,260 story about the British Parliament and a 1596 01:15:50,870 --> 01:15:48,540 pedo ring it was a complete and total 1597 01:15:53,870 --> 01:15:50,880 fake story and it went out super hyped 1598 01:15:55,910 --> 01:15:53,880 up the biggest British Scandal ever and 1599 01:15:58,250 --> 01:15:55,920 it was the story fell apart right after 1600 01:16:01,430 --> 01:15:58,260 broadcast he didn't do any due diligence 1601 01:16:04,850 --> 01:16:01,440 the Witnesses were wackadus and and they 1602 01:16:07,189 --> 01:16:04,860 were known to lie a lot and 1603 01:16:09,770 --> 01:16:07,199 so all the people bringing us the story 1604 01:16:11,689 --> 01:16:09,780 it appears to me that we have three 1605 01:16:13,550 --> 01:16:11,699 people that have been caught selling 1606 01:16:16,490 --> 01:16:13,560 provably fake stories multiple times 1607 01:16:19,490 --> 01:16:16,500 before all three of them and then 1608 01:16:20,990 --> 01:16:19,500 perhaps behind the scenes we have all of 1609 01:16:23,510 --> 01:16:21,000 these other people who have brought us 1610 01:16:25,790 --> 01:16:23,520 provably fake stories before or just 1611 01:16:27,910 --> 01:16:25,800 made Fantastical claims collected a lot 1612 01:16:30,890 --> 01:16:27,920 of money and never delivered the goods 1613 01:16:33,890 --> 01:16:30,900 influencing this so-called whistleblower 1614 01:16:35,689 --> 01:16:33,900 it all seems very suspicious to me and I 1615 01:16:38,330 --> 01:16:35,699 don't understand how the True Believers 1616 01:16:39,950 --> 01:16:38,340 don't find a problem with these facts 1617 01:16:41,330 --> 01:16:39,960 that I'm mentioning here 1618 01:16:44,930 --> 01:16:41,340 right 1619 01:16:48,649 --> 01:16:44,940 I I think that those are fair concerns I 1620 01:16:51,709 --> 01:16:48,659 to me Leslie Kane I don't know what 1621 01:16:55,790 --> 01:16:51,719 motivates her but what her actions look 1622 01:16:59,990 --> 01:16:55,800 like to me it reminds me of a religious 1623 01:17:04,729 --> 01:17:00,000 zealot that thinks the ends justify the 1624 01:17:09,770 --> 01:17:04,739 means and uh I I remember Jacques valet 1625 01:17:13,570 --> 01:17:09,780 wrote about once that uh he had been in 1626 01:17:16,550 --> 01:17:13,580 he he had some knowledge of some hoaxers 1627 01:17:20,450 --> 01:17:16,560 that believed 1628 01:17:24,169 --> 01:17:20,460 There Are UFOs there are aliens so it's 1629 01:17:27,770 --> 01:17:24,179 okay to hoax it you know 1630 01:17:30,890 --> 01:17:27,780 um because it you know it it's true so 1631 01:17:34,070 --> 01:17:30,900 so what does it hurt and she kind of 1632 01:17:37,070 --> 01:17:34,080 reminds me of that mentality to some 1633 01:17:39,649 --> 01:17:37,080 extent that you know the ends just 1634 01:17:43,370 --> 01:17:39,659 justify the means 1635 01:17:45,770 --> 01:17:43,380 yeah yeah it seems it seems to me and 1636 01:17:47,870 --> 01:17:45,780 you you're probably aware of the many 1637 01:17:50,390 --> 01:17:47,880 more let's just call you a little more 1638 01:17:52,310 --> 01:17:50,400 veteran researcher than me I think 1639 01:17:54,350 --> 01:17:52,320 that's a fair assessment and you have 1640 01:17:56,930 --> 01:17:54,360 been around to see these cycles of these 1641 01:17:58,790 --> 01:17:56,940 so-called UFO whistleblowers you know 1642 01:18:00,410 --> 01:17:58,800 I'm sure that you you were paying 1643 01:18:03,350 --> 01:18:00,420 attention at least a little bit to all 1644 01:18:06,229 --> 01:18:03,360 of them including Bob Lazar Phil Corso 1645 01:18:08,590 --> 01:18:06,239 maybe this Clifford Stone and Stephen 1646 01:18:13,610 --> 01:18:08,600 Greer and all his so-called disclosure 1647 01:18:15,590 --> 01:18:13,620 you know Witnesses and I'm not wrong 1648 01:18:17,450 --> 01:18:15,600 when I say that none of these UFO 1649 01:18:19,550 --> 01:18:17,460 whistleblowers have ever come through 1650 01:18:22,130 --> 01:18:19,560 with proof in the whole history of this 1651 01:18:25,070 --> 01:18:22,140 thing right so why should we believe 1652 01:18:29,030 --> 01:18:25,080 this one you know that's where I'm at 1653 01:18:31,790 --> 01:18:29,040 with this you are not wrong I I'm from 1654 01:18:32,870 --> 01:18:31,800 the generation that it was a really big 1655 01:18:36,430 --> 01:18:32,880 deal 1656 01:18:39,590 --> 01:18:36,440 when these guys were on Larry King live 1657 01:18:42,350 --> 01:18:39,600 CNN you know Stanton Friedman Steve 1658 01:18:47,649 --> 01:18:42,360 Bassett Stephen Greer 1659 01:18:51,649 --> 01:18:47,659 um in 1999 they were on uh Art Bell 1660 01:18:55,149 --> 01:18:51,659 Greer Bassett and a man named Joseph 1661 01:18:58,910 --> 01:18:55,159 furmidge were on with Art Bell 1662 01:19:04,270 --> 01:18:58,920 disclosure 1999 and they were telling us 1663 01:19:12,350 --> 01:19:08,390 I just cannot over emphasize that this 1664 01:19:17,030 --> 01:19:12,360 has been going on since 1950. 1665 01:19:20,209 --> 01:19:17,040 it re it requires new audiences 1666 01:19:24,229 --> 01:19:20,219 it requires people that are not aware of 1667 01:19:27,950 --> 01:19:24,239 the history it requires promoters that 1668 01:19:29,209 --> 01:19:27,960 are under or don't care and have hidden 1669 01:19:32,630 --> 01:19:29,219 agendas 1670 01:19:33,850 --> 01:19:32,640 there is certainly a an intelligence 1671 01:19:36,890 --> 01:19:33,860 Community 1672 01:19:40,490 --> 01:19:36,900 component to this 1673 01:19:42,290 --> 01:19:40,500 are some of them sincere True Believers 1674 01:19:45,890 --> 01:19:42,300 probably 1675 01:19:48,350 --> 01:19:45,900 uh and add in you know all the other 1676 01:19:51,770 --> 01:19:48,360 possibilities as well that we could 1677 01:19:55,130 --> 01:19:51,780 diagram but I I think you and most of 1678 01:19:57,770 --> 01:19:55,140 your viewers have got a pretty good idea 1679 01:20:01,810 --> 01:19:57,780 what they all are 1680 01:20:04,790 --> 01:20:01,820 we had whistleblowers in the 1950s and 1681 01:20:07,250 --> 01:20:04,800 1960s with nycap the national 1682 01:20:10,669 --> 01:20:07,260 investigations committee on aerial 1683 01:20:14,830 --> 01:20:10,679 phenomena that were incredibly high 1684 01:20:19,070 --> 01:20:14,840 ranking and decorated and 1685 01:20:23,209 --> 01:20:19,080 left in their wake a a fascinating 1686 01:20:25,870 --> 01:20:23,219 question of why these decorated officers 1687 01:20:32,330 --> 01:20:25,880 called out and 1688 01:20:35,390 --> 01:20:32,340 uh acted disloyal and untrusting of the 1689 01:20:37,070 --> 01:20:35,400 agencies and branches of government that 1690 01:20:46,729 --> 01:20:37,080 had 1691 01:20:49,669 --> 01:20:46,739 of Central Intelligence was the chairman 1692 01:20:51,830 --> 01:20:49,679 of the board for nycap for a while yeah 1693 01:20:55,430 --> 01:20:51,840 and I wanted to talk about the parallels 1694 01:20:57,709 --> 01:20:55,440 between nycap which was just filled and 1695 01:20:59,209 --> 01:20:57,719 also you know a lot of people are are 1696 01:21:01,010 --> 01:20:59,219 saying from the True Believer so say 1697 01:21:03,890 --> 01:21:01,020 well we've never had somebody this high 1698 01:21:05,570 --> 01:21:03,900 ranking saying these things and and I 1699 01:21:08,030 --> 01:21:05,580 would beg to differ because Philip Corso 1700 01:21:10,550 --> 01:21:08,040 probably had higher classifications and 1701 01:21:12,169 --> 01:21:10,560 clearances than this David Crush he 1702 01:21:13,910 --> 01:21:12,179 never proved any of his claims and most 1703 01:21:17,689 --> 01:21:13,920 of his claims fell apart right after the 1704 01:21:19,250 --> 01:21:17,699 book came out so there's this assumption 1705 01:21:20,570 --> 01:21:19,260 though that well he's got to be telling 1706 01:21:22,189 --> 01:21:20,580 the truth because he's a high-ranking 1707 01:21:24,290 --> 01:21:22,199 official but we have a history of 1708 01:21:27,410 --> 01:21:24,300 high-ranking officials saying kind of 1709 01:21:30,290 --> 01:21:27,420 wackadoo stuff right and nycat sort of 1710 01:21:32,209 --> 01:21:30,300 infiltrating the UFO community and it's 1711 01:21:34,070 --> 01:21:32,219 a it was filled with intelligence people 1712 01:21:36,350 --> 01:21:34,080 high-ranking ones and former military 1713 01:21:38,030 --> 01:21:36,360 people high ranking ones and now it 1714 01:21:39,649 --> 01:21:38,040 seems like we have the same thing going 1715 01:21:41,990 --> 01:21:39,659 on all of these intelligence people 1716 01:21:45,530 --> 01:21:42,000 coming into the UFO community 1717 01:21:48,130 --> 01:21:45,540 is it are we seeing a repeat of some of 1718 01:21:52,149 --> 01:21:48,140 the some of the nycap story here 1719 01:21:55,490 --> 01:21:52,159 absolutely we are there it's it's 1720 01:21:58,970 --> 01:21:55,500 fascinating and I would highly encourage 1721 01:22:03,490 --> 01:21:58,980 people to make the comparisons and go 1722 01:22:05,169 --> 01:22:03,500 back and look at what's similar in 1957 1723 01:22:08,149 --> 01:22:05,179 1958 1724 01:22:10,850 --> 01:22:08,159 1967 when they began Congressional 1725 01:22:13,490 --> 01:22:10,860 hearings on UFOs 1726 01:22:16,370 --> 01:22:13,500 and see what's similar and what's 1727 01:22:19,189 --> 01:22:16,380 different we we're absolutely seeing it 1728 01:22:23,209 --> 01:22:19,199 repeat where 1729 01:22:26,030 --> 01:22:23,219 high ranking intelligence agency and 1730 01:22:29,149 --> 01:22:26,040 Military Officers are leaking 1731 01:22:32,450 --> 01:22:29,159 information are 1732 01:22:37,970 --> 01:22:32,460 um making claims extraordinary claims 1733 01:22:45,830 --> 01:22:42,050 and it it's just fascinating in the case 1734 01:22:50,090 --> 01:22:45,840 of nycat we had overt 1735 01:22:53,750 --> 01:22:50,100 senior Intelligence Officers and what 1736 01:22:57,430 --> 01:22:53,760 appeared to be covert undercover people 1737 01:23:01,070 --> 01:22:57,440 working in in the uh 1738 01:23:03,290 --> 01:23:01,080 organization as well and to kind of 1739 01:23:08,149 --> 01:23:03,300 circle back to what I was saying earlier 1740 01:23:11,689 --> 01:23:08,159 about uh Global adversaries interests 1741 01:23:13,610 --> 01:23:11,699 and America just chasing its tale about 1742 01:23:17,390 --> 01:23:13,620 UFOs 1743 01:23:22,189 --> 01:23:17,400 it's just mind-boggling that major Kehoe 1744 01:23:24,709 --> 01:23:22,199 was calling on Military Officers to leak 1745 01:23:26,649 --> 01:23:24,719 information to him about classified 1746 01:23:30,649 --> 01:23:26,659 projects 1747 01:23:34,189 --> 01:23:30,659 then he wanted the Air Force and 1748 01:23:37,550 --> 01:23:34,199 intelligence agencies the CIA Air Force 1749 01:23:41,810 --> 01:23:37,560 office of special investigations 1750 01:23:44,630 --> 01:23:41,820 to have a public forum with him where he 1751 01:23:47,330 --> 01:23:44,640 and nycat representatives questioned 1752 01:23:50,630 --> 01:23:47,340 them about various projects and 1753 01:23:54,470 --> 01:23:50,640 circumstances and they did not have to 1754 01:23:56,030 --> 01:23:54,480 even reveal their sources to the CIA and 1755 01:23:59,750 --> 01:23:56,040 the Air Force 1756 01:24:03,530 --> 01:23:59,760 he was chastised by a certain 1757 01:24:08,149 --> 01:24:03,540 Congressman about what the congressman 1758 01:24:11,410 --> 01:24:08,159 just felt like was just you know just so 1759 01:24:15,530 --> 01:24:11,420 unreasonable that it defied description 1760 01:24:18,950 --> 01:24:15,540 and I can certainly understand that 1761 01:24:23,209 --> 01:24:18,960 point of view that 1762 01:24:27,290 --> 01:24:23,219 um it I are do people get this kind of 1763 01:24:31,250 --> 01:24:27,300 UFO blinders on that they're unable to 1764 01:24:34,550 --> 01:24:31,260 consider what if there's not a UFO in 1765 01:24:37,430 --> 01:24:34,560 this story that you're demanding we open 1766 01:24:40,490 --> 01:24:37,440 our files and show the world 1767 01:24:44,390 --> 01:24:40,500 what what we what we're doing here 1768 01:24:48,729 --> 01:24:44,400 and as you of course know Steve another 1769 01:24:56,890 --> 01:24:53,530 there can never be enough denials by 1770 01:25:01,130 --> 01:24:56,900 Pentagon spokespeople and Military 1771 01:25:06,350 --> 01:25:01,140 Officers that will satisfy this group 1772 01:25:10,550 --> 01:25:06,360 that is convinced there are hangers with 1773 01:25:14,450 --> 01:25:10,560 with aircraft with spacecraft in them 1774 01:25:16,149 --> 01:25:14,460 uh they're they're our films there is 1775 01:25:20,330 --> 01:25:16,159 this there is that 1776 01:25:22,850 --> 01:25:20,340 and as there's there's just never going 1777 01:25:25,370 --> 01:25:22,860 to be enough statements saying we don't 1778 01:25:27,310 --> 01:25:25,380 have it we don't have it that they're 1779 01:25:30,830 --> 01:25:27,320 gonna be good enough 1780 01:25:33,470 --> 01:25:30,840 and you know I'm I'm not saying that 1781 01:25:36,530 --> 01:25:33,480 there's absolutely nothing necessarily 1782 01:25:39,590 --> 01:25:36,540 to any UFO report anybody ever made 1783 01:25:42,470 --> 01:25:39,600 anywhere I don't know maybe there's some 1784 01:25:46,550 --> 01:25:42,480 natural phenomena that needs needs 1785 01:25:48,770 --> 01:25:46,560 better study uh maybe there's some you 1786 01:25:51,229 --> 01:25:48,780 know artificial phenomena that needs 1787 01:25:54,470 --> 01:25:51,239 better study I don't know 1788 01:25:57,169 --> 01:25:54,480 but I do know that when we focus on this 1789 01:26:01,850 --> 01:25:57,179 band that you've been talking about the 1790 01:26:08,689 --> 01:26:06,169 yeah this Alliance they have that we can 1791 01:26:11,209 --> 01:26:08,699 see things in these stories that are 1792 01:26:13,669 --> 01:26:11,219 huge red flags and that don't check out 1793 01:26:16,790 --> 01:26:13,679 and don't make sense 1794 01:26:18,950 --> 01:26:16,800 um like if the if they've got craft what 1795 01:26:22,610 --> 01:26:18,960 do they need to study it for at 1796 01:26:24,890 --> 01:26:22,620 Skinwalker Ranch you know like why why 1797 01:26:26,930 --> 01:26:24,900 yeah that's a real yeah if you've got 1798 01:26:29,870 --> 01:26:26,940 anything why would they need to be in 1799 01:26:33,169 --> 01:26:29,880 bed with mufon if they've got craft in a 1800 01:26:35,990 --> 01:26:33,179 hanger you know yeah these are sometimes 1801 01:26:38,530 --> 01:26:36,000 just simple logic will let let you have 1802 01:26:41,209 --> 01:26:38,540 a story fall apart we we did a piece on 1803 01:26:43,250 --> 01:26:41,219 uh Stephen Greer's his so-called 1804 01:26:45,169 --> 01:26:43,260 historic disclosure of that he showed an 1805 01:26:48,530 --> 01:26:45,179 illustration of a so-called deep 1806 01:26:53,090 --> 01:26:48,540 military underground base and on the 1807 01:26:55,669 --> 01:26:53,100 surface was this huge pile of cars it 1808 01:26:57,950 --> 01:26:55,679 was like 200 Cars and a big line of 1809 01:27:00,250 --> 01:26:57,960 porta potties and so we did a humorous 1810 01:27:03,470 --> 01:27:00,260 story about like this is so ridiculous 1811 01:27:05,990 --> 01:27:03,480 they've got a technology sufficient to 1812 01:27:07,550 --> 01:27:06,000 back engineer alien spacecraft and any 1813 01:27:10,430 --> 01:27:07,560 gravitic technology and electric 1814 01:27:12,649 --> 01:27:10,440 ravidics and any gravity and free energy 1815 01:27:14,689 --> 01:27:12,659 technology that we got from the aliens 1816 01:27:17,209 --> 01:27:14,699 but you can't put a bathroom in the base 1817 01:27:18,590 --> 01:27:17,219 like everybody's got to go upstairs and 1818 01:27:21,649 --> 01:27:18,600 use the porta potty while they're 1819 01:27:24,110 --> 01:27:21,659 working there and park your car right 1820 01:27:27,050 --> 01:27:24,120 outside the secret base entrance right 1821 01:27:29,450 --> 01:27:27,060 so that any Soviet satellite or Chinese 1822 01:27:32,149 --> 01:27:29,460 satellite or anybody can see there's 1823 01:27:34,550 --> 01:27:32,159 something going on it's this just simple 1824 01:27:37,310 --> 01:27:34,560 logic is enough to rip apart some of 1825 01:27:40,070 --> 01:27:37,320 these stories sometimes and I wanted to 1826 01:27:41,209 --> 01:27:40,080 ask you to uh both of your books are on 1827 01:27:43,490 --> 01:27:41,219 Amazon 1828 01:27:46,750 --> 01:27:43,500 I'm familiar with the nycap book which 1829 01:27:49,669 --> 01:27:46,760 tells a compelling story of I would say 1830 01:27:53,510 --> 01:27:49,679 intelligence and Military interference 1831 01:27:56,209 --> 01:27:53,520 in the UFO issue and Community uh even 1832 01:27:59,270 --> 01:27:56,219 like you said by covert spying on groups 1833 01:28:01,669 --> 01:27:59,280 and things that is crazy and I I found 1834 01:28:03,950 --> 01:28:01,679 it interesting because I I've read it 1835 01:28:06,290 --> 01:28:03,960 from the lens of what I already believe 1836 01:28:09,110 --> 01:28:06,300 is that this is going on right now we've 1837 01:28:11,209 --> 01:28:09,120 got Richard Doty a former Air Force 1838 01:28:13,370 --> 01:28:11,219 office of special investigation fully 1839 01:28:16,790 --> 01:28:13,380 integrated into the UFO Community now 1840 01:28:19,370 --> 01:28:16,800 we've got John Ramirez a CIA agent he's 1841 01:28:22,189 --> 01:28:19,380 talking about crazy things reptilian 1842 01:28:24,110 --> 01:28:22,199 aliens and big disclosure event and the 1843 01:28:27,470 --> 01:28:24,120 aliens are coming soon and disclosures 1844 01:28:29,470 --> 01:28:27,480 coming and and we've got uh Anjali 1845 01:28:32,750 --> 01:28:29,480 Former Defense Intelligence Agency 1846 01:28:34,250 --> 01:28:32,760 information Warfare specialist she came 1847 01:28:36,110 --> 01:28:34,260 and told this whole story about the 1848 01:28:38,390 --> 01:28:36,120 aliens in the tunnel and we busted her 1849 01:28:41,709 --> 01:28:38,400 story has been completely fake but she's 1850 01:28:45,350 --> 01:28:41,719 still here telling news stories we had 1851 01:28:48,590 --> 01:28:45,360 who ran an imaginary 1852 01:28:50,689 --> 01:28:48,600 UFO program that never existed was 1853 01:28:53,930 --> 01:28:50,699 unfunded wasn't secret we were told it 1854 01:28:56,149 --> 01:28:53,940 was a Secret Pentagon UFO program that 1855 01:28:58,370 --> 01:28:56,159 he was the director of and even just the 1856 01:29:00,050 --> 01:28:58,380 term calling him the director was 1857 01:29:02,930 --> 01:29:00,060 deceptive you're the director of a 1858 01:29:05,390 --> 01:29:02,940 program that doesn't exist you know and 1859 01:29:08,030 --> 01:29:05,400 and it wasn't funded you told us it was 1860 01:29:10,310 --> 01:29:08,040 funded and all of these stories sort of 1861 01:29:13,370 --> 01:29:10,320 have these deception layers and once you 1862 01:29:15,950 --> 01:29:13,380 peel back those layers of deception you 1863 01:29:17,870 --> 01:29:15,960 go this is not what people are claiming 1864 01:29:21,050 --> 01:29:17,880 it to be 1865 01:29:23,270 --> 01:29:21,060 right right I mean I'm the director of 1866 01:29:27,830 --> 01:29:23,280 the football pool down here at the 1867 01:29:30,649 --> 01:29:27,840 Corner Bar well I I mean no no you know 1868 01:29:34,610 --> 01:29:30,659 and that was probably better organized 1869 01:29:36,470 --> 01:29:34,620 you know yeah yeah yeah yeah so we have 1870 01:29:39,229 --> 01:29:36,480 all these all these intelligence people 1871 01:29:40,790 --> 01:29:39,239 though coming into the UFO community and 1872 01:29:42,709 --> 01:29:40,800 all I see is that they're filling their 1873 01:29:45,169 --> 01:29:42,719 pockets with money 1874 01:29:48,530 --> 01:29:45,179 so part of me thinks it's just a grift 1875 01:29:50,990 --> 01:29:48,540 like hey uh I have great credentials I 1876 01:29:52,910 --> 01:29:51,000 could go talk about UFOs and make five 1877 01:29:54,950 --> 01:29:52,920 thousand or ten thousand dollars in a 1878 01:29:57,110 --> 01:29:54,960 speaking fee or you know make 1879 01:29:58,729 --> 01:29:57,120 documentaries television shows books and 1880 01:30:01,550 --> 01:29:58,739 and make a lot of money they're just 1881 01:30:03,590 --> 01:30:01,560 light on evidence and and and all are 1882 01:30:05,810 --> 01:30:03,600 very deceptive but it makes me wonder 1883 01:30:07,790 --> 01:30:05,820 like I've read your book through the 1884 01:30:09,649 --> 01:30:07,800 lens of what I see happening now all 1885 01:30:11,689 --> 01:30:09,659 these intelligence people and three 1886 01:30:14,090 --> 01:30:11,699 letter agency people oh John de Souza 1887 01:30:16,729 --> 01:30:14,100 former FBI he claims that the X-Files 1888 01:30:20,330 --> 01:30:16,739 stole ideas for the X-Files show from 1889 01:30:23,270 --> 01:30:20,340 his secret FBI files that I don't think 1890 01:30:26,570 --> 01:30:23,280 exist we're digging on that right now so 1891 01:30:28,370 --> 01:30:26,580 we've got FBI Dia CIA former Pentagon 1892 01:30:30,169 --> 01:30:28,380 intelligence now we've got this Dave 1893 01:30:32,450 --> 01:30:30,179 grosh who was also an information 1894 01:30:35,390 --> 01:30:32,460 Warfare specialist coming and telling 1895 01:30:37,310 --> 01:30:35,400 incredible tales and nycap was kind of 1896 01:30:40,970 --> 01:30:37,320 similar but different story but it it 1897 01:30:43,310 --> 01:30:40,980 also involved this this them injecting 1898 01:30:46,310 --> 01:30:43,320 themselves into this issue into to this 1899 01:30:48,830 --> 01:30:46,320 topic and making demands kind of like is 1900 01:30:51,590 --> 01:30:48,840 happening now all these people demanded 1901 01:30:53,030 --> 01:30:51,600 a pentagon program to study this and 1902 01:30:56,030 --> 01:30:53,040 then they got it and then when the 1903 01:30:58,310 --> 01:30:56,040 program told them things like we don't 1904 01:31:00,050 --> 01:30:58,320 see any aliens we see some strange and 1905 01:31:02,709 --> 01:31:00,060 anomalous things and we're working to 1906 01:31:05,330 --> 01:31:02,719 identify or explain them 1907 01:31:07,610 --> 01:31:05,340 now there's a cover-up again and those 1908 01:31:09,590 --> 01:31:07,620 people are telling us the truth you 1909 01:31:11,030 --> 01:31:09,600 demanded this agency this is what you 1910 01:31:14,030 --> 01:31:11,040 wanted for somebody to take this 1911 01:31:16,129 --> 01:31:14,040 seriously and then they did and then and 1912 01:31:19,189 --> 01:31:16,139 what their findings were were not in 1913 01:31:21,649 --> 01:31:19,199 line with your preconceived beliefs or 1914 01:31:22,910 --> 01:31:21,659 you know what you think is really 1915 01:31:25,010 --> 01:31:22,920 happening like you said they're 1916 01:31:27,229 --> 01:31:25,020 convinced there's there's aliens in a 1917 01:31:29,750 --> 01:31:27,239 hangar there's pickled aliens in jars 1918 01:31:31,070 --> 01:31:29,760 somewhere or there's craft in a hangar 1919 01:31:33,770 --> 01:31:31,080 somewhere 1920 01:31:35,870 --> 01:31:33,780 it's it's crazy to me that they got what 1921 01:31:37,970 --> 01:31:35,880 they wanted but when the guy didn't tell 1922 01:31:39,590 --> 01:31:37,980 them what they wanted to hear suddenly 1923 01:31:42,649 --> 01:31:39,600 He's the bad guy and we need a new 1924 01:31:44,330 --> 01:31:42,659 program or right 1925 01:31:46,070 --> 01:31:44,340 the same kind of thing with nycap they 1926 01:31:48,310 --> 01:31:46,080 demanded that the government do certain 1927 01:31:50,689 --> 01:31:48,320 things and 1928 01:31:52,070 --> 01:31:50,699 the same kind of thing they weren't 1929 01:31:53,450 --> 01:31:52,080 getting the answers that they wanted 1930 01:31:56,450 --> 01:31:53,460 from the government when the government 1931 01:31:59,709 --> 01:31:56,460 kept going with denials of of the alien 1932 01:32:07,129 --> 01:32:04,790 right right and and nycaps case they 1933 01:32:09,169 --> 01:32:07,139 pushed for and they got their 1934 01:32:11,870 --> 01:32:09,179 Congressional hearings 1935 01:32:14,149 --> 01:32:11,880 and one of the things that came out of 1936 01:32:17,510 --> 01:32:14,159 that was 1937 01:32:20,290 --> 01:32:17,520 um Congress uh mandated the continent 1938 01:32:26,229 --> 01:32:20,300 committee at the University of Colorado 1939 01:32:28,669 --> 01:32:26,239 to compile a report on the UFO situation 1940 01:32:32,570 --> 01:32:28,679 then that 1941 01:32:37,270 --> 01:32:32,580 um was not flattering to nycap or the 1942 01:32:42,290 --> 01:32:37,280 UFO circumstances and then about 1943 01:32:45,970 --> 01:32:42,300 1969 nycap then fell into pretty much 1944 01:32:49,370 --> 01:32:45,980 being committed to 1945 01:32:52,189 --> 01:32:49,380 debating the findings of the continent 1946 01:32:55,390 --> 01:32:52,199 report and and trying to prove that the 1947 01:33:00,350 --> 01:32:55,400 continent report was a cover-up 1948 01:33:03,709 --> 01:33:00,360 years later Richard Hall of nycat and 1949 01:33:06,470 --> 01:33:03,719 who was very influential and providing 1950 01:33:10,330 --> 01:33:06,480 the continent committee with reports 1951 01:33:13,310 --> 01:33:10,340 wrote to the effect that 1952 01:33:16,370 --> 01:33:13,320 he really didn't think that it was a 1953 01:33:20,050 --> 01:33:16,380 cover-up as much as the people just 1954 01:33:22,750 --> 01:33:20,060 really weren't interested in UFOs 1955 01:33:26,450 --> 01:33:22,760 they were doing the report 1956 01:33:29,570 --> 01:33:26,460 and I have those concerns about this 1957 01:33:32,570 --> 01:33:29,580 Aero Agency for instance 1958 01:33:36,129 --> 01:33:32,580 um I feel like some really interesting 1959 01:33:40,970 --> 01:33:36,139 things could come out of a thorough 1960 01:33:43,550 --> 01:33:40,980 investigation from like 1945 forward of 1961 01:33:46,310 --> 01:33:43,560 the intelligence communities involvement 1962 01:33:48,350 --> 01:33:46,320 in the the Steeplechase and different 1963 01:33:52,610 --> 01:33:48,360 things that have gone on 1964 01:33:57,050 --> 01:33:52,620 but I I have trouble envisioning that 1965 01:34:02,030 --> 01:33:57,060 you even come up with uh enough foia 1966 01:34:04,689 --> 01:34:02,040 officers and researchers and CIA clerks 1967 01:34:07,610 --> 01:34:04,699 that give a damn 1968 01:34:09,590 --> 01:34:07,620 really well you know what I related to 1969 01:34:10,430 --> 01:34:09,600 Mr Brewer and tell me if you agree with 1970 01:34:12,530 --> 01:34:10,440 me 1971 01:34:14,689 --> 01:34:12,540 what we've got is a bunch of people that 1972 01:34:15,649 --> 01:34:14,699 believe that aliens are visiting planet 1973 01:34:18,470 --> 01:34:15,659 Earth 1974 01:34:20,629 --> 01:34:18,480 but it's not an evidence-based belief 1975 01:34:23,390 --> 01:34:20,639 system that is a faith-based belief 1976 01:34:25,629 --> 01:34:23,400 system which is a lot like religion so 1977 01:34:29,570 --> 01:34:25,639 all of these UFO people demanding 1978 01:34:32,870 --> 01:34:29,580 taxpayer resources time employees a 1979 01:34:35,689 --> 01:34:32,880 whole organizations be formed you're 1980 01:34:37,490 --> 01:34:35,699 you're you're you know demanding that 1981 01:34:40,850 --> 01:34:37,500 the that the government spend all this 1982 01:34:42,890 --> 01:34:40,860 time and resources investigating your 1983 01:34:45,890 --> 01:34:42,900 faith-based belief system 1984 01:34:48,410 --> 01:34:45,900 and and somehow this is supposed to be 1985 01:34:51,050 --> 01:34:48,420 okay but could you imagine if like all 1986 01:34:53,330 --> 01:34:51,060 the scientologists got together and they 1987 01:34:55,610 --> 01:34:53,340 demanded that the government investigate 1988 01:34:57,530 --> 01:34:55,620 the science of Scientology to prove that 1989 01:34:59,270 --> 01:34:57,540 it's really the greatest thing ever you 1990 01:35:01,850 --> 01:34:59,280 know what I mean it's the same it would 1991 01:35:03,709 --> 01:35:01,860 be almost the same thing you the 1992 01:35:06,709 --> 01:35:03,719 scientologists can't all get together 1993 01:35:09,770 --> 01:35:06,719 and demand government resources and and 1994 01:35:12,350 --> 01:35:09,780 as big a fan I am of UFO mythology and 1995 01:35:14,510 --> 01:35:12,360 history and lore I don't think we should 1996 01:35:17,930 --> 01:35:14,520 be wasting taxpayer money on it unless 1997 01:35:20,930 --> 01:35:17,940 there's really going to be smoking gun 1998 01:35:23,090 --> 01:35:20,940 evidence and a reason to if you're just 1999 01:35:23,990 --> 01:35:23,100 gonna make these guys Chase Shadows for 2000 01:35:26,570 --> 01:35:24,000 years 2001 01:35:29,689 --> 01:35:26,580 you know or or stories that can't be 2002 01:35:30,970 --> 01:35:29,699 verified or or corroborated or proven to 2003 01:35:33,649 --> 01:35:30,980 be true 2004 01:35:35,270 --> 01:35:33,659 am I wrong in this assessment like what 2005 01:35:37,850 --> 01:35:35,280 do you think would happen if any other 2006 01:35:39,709 --> 01:35:37,860 faith-based belief group got together 2007 01:35:41,570 --> 01:35:39,719 like it's like the Harry krishnas what 2008 01:35:43,129 --> 01:35:41,580 if they got together and forced the 2009 01:35:44,930 --> 01:35:43,139 government to study 2010 01:35:47,570 --> 01:35:44,940 spend all kinds of money proving 2011 01:35:50,390 --> 01:35:47,580 meditation is the is is the is the way 2012 01:35:52,250 --> 01:35:50,400 to live your life or scientologists got 2013 01:35:55,010 --> 01:35:52,260 together and and wanted the government 2014 01:35:58,129 --> 01:35:55,020 to spend resources and and investigate L 2015 01:36:00,890 --> 01:35:58,139 Ron Hubbard's so-called science you know 2016 01:36:02,270 --> 01:36:00,900 or the Mormons got together and said we 2017 01:36:05,050 --> 01:36:02,280 want you to prove that those Golden 2018 01:36:07,729 --> 01:36:05,060 Plates of Joseph Smith were real 2019 01:36:09,470 --> 01:36:07,739 that would be unacceptable they would 2020 01:36:10,970 --> 01:36:09,480 just say we're not doing this We're Not 2021 01:36:12,590 --> 01:36:10,980 Gonna you know 2022 01:36:15,110 --> 01:36:12,600 but somehow 2023 01:36:16,550 --> 01:36:15,120 these UFO Believers think that we they 2024 01:36:19,010 --> 01:36:16,560 they have the right to make these 2025 01:36:23,149 --> 01:36:19,020 demands on our government 2026 01:36:26,810 --> 01:36:23,159 I think this is a great topic because 2027 01:36:31,310 --> 01:36:26,820 they they have often come at it in my 2028 01:36:33,649 --> 01:36:31,320 opinion disingenuously by trying to say 2029 01:36:35,810 --> 01:36:33,659 that it's a national security issue 2030 01:36:38,950 --> 01:36:35,820 they've tried to say that it's an air 2031 01:36:42,169 --> 01:36:38,960 safety issue and 2032 01:36:45,649 --> 01:36:42,179 oftentimes those dogs really don't hunt 2033 01:36:48,890 --> 01:36:45,659 I I mean they're they're they're 2034 01:36:52,010 --> 01:36:48,900 yeah you know I I more people probably 2035 01:36:55,910 --> 01:36:52,020 get injured by Falling Furniture than 2036 01:36:59,750 --> 01:36:55,920 they do flying into UFOs you know 2037 01:37:03,169 --> 01:36:59,760 and there's a lot of problems with that 2038 01:37:06,110 --> 01:37:03,179 that approach when we know what they 2039 01:37:10,250 --> 01:37:06,120 were really interested in is trying to 2040 01:37:13,850 --> 01:37:10,260 get woo into the public I like I mean 2041 01:37:17,390 --> 01:37:13,860 Kane has been talking about admits it 2042 01:37:20,930 --> 01:37:17,400 that she tried to make it seem as 2043 01:37:23,689 --> 01:37:20,940 serious and and logical as possible so 2044 01:37:27,110 --> 01:37:23,699 on the one hand I think there's enough 2045 01:37:30,709 --> 01:37:27,120 government waste and I think that there 2046 01:37:33,890 --> 01:37:30,719 are certainly other topics that could be 2047 01:37:38,090 --> 01:37:33,900 that could deserve funding and attention 2048 01:37:41,330 --> 01:37:38,100 more and on the other hand I would 2049 01:37:43,610 --> 01:37:41,340 dearly love to see Louise see lizondo 2050 01:37:46,010 --> 01:37:43,620 and Christopher melon called out before 2051 01:37:48,830 --> 01:37:46,020 Congress and sworn in and said let's 2052 01:37:51,110 --> 01:37:48,840 hear it give us everything you got yeah 2053 01:37:55,129 --> 01:37:51,120 yeah and and make those hearings public 2054 01:37:57,649 --> 01:37:55,139 and no no ndas no you know clearances 2055 01:38:01,129 --> 01:37:57,659 you tell us what yeah does your time 2056 01:38:04,370 --> 01:38:01,139 make your case yes who told you what 2057 01:38:06,530 --> 01:38:04,380 what program were they working in what 2058 01:38:09,050 --> 01:38:06,540 agency and then we're going to call them 2059 01:38:10,990 --> 01:38:09,060 out here and see does this go anywhere 2060 01:38:14,149 --> 01:38:11,000 sure why not 2061 01:38:15,950 --> 01:38:14,159 yeah yeah because I don't know part of 2062 01:38:17,870 --> 01:38:15,960 me is getting a little bitter that it 2063 01:38:20,030 --> 01:38:17,880 feels like these like I said it feels 2064 01:38:21,649 --> 01:38:20,040 like a bunch of wackados at times are 2065 01:38:23,270 --> 01:38:21,659 like making all these demands of the 2066 01:38:25,790 --> 01:38:23,280 government and that's all our money 2067 01:38:27,470 --> 01:38:25,800 you're wasting you could be wasting you 2068 01:38:30,169 --> 01:38:27,480 know I mean if you have Smoking Gun 2069 01:38:31,850 --> 01:38:30,179 evidence drop it you put it out but 2070 01:38:34,129 --> 01:38:31,860 there's always some excuse and this 2071 01:38:36,649 --> 01:38:34,139 guy's excuses oh well the the the 2072 01:38:38,390 --> 01:38:36,659 programs are classified so and then 2073 01:38:40,070 --> 01:38:38,400 people are saying ridiculous things like 2074 01:38:41,510 --> 01:38:40,080 members of Congress aren't even cleared 2075 01:38:42,890 --> 01:38:41,520 to hear this 2076 01:38:44,450 --> 01:38:42,900 well then they'll get they'll get clear 2077 01:38:47,990 --> 01:38:44,460 they're on the Senate Intel intelligence 2078 01:38:51,649 --> 01:38:49,610 you can tell you a list right this is 2079 01:38:54,290 --> 01:38:51,659 ridiculous yeah 2080 01:38:56,930 --> 01:38:54,300 yeah well I wanted to I wanted to also 2081 01:38:58,970 --> 01:38:56,940 mention that Mr Brewer has two excellent 2082 01:39:00,530 --> 01:38:58,980 books uh the one that I have read I'm 2083 01:39:02,689 --> 01:39:00,540 going to read his second one I'm gonna 2084 01:39:05,709 --> 01:39:02,699 order it today actually 2085 01:39:08,930 --> 01:39:05,719 um this uh first book Is Wayward sons 2086 01:39:10,970 --> 01:39:08,940 nycap and the intelligence Community I 2087 01:39:12,950 --> 01:39:10,980 thoroughly enjoyed it highly recommend 2088 01:39:14,270 --> 01:39:12,960 it and the other one that I'm looking 2089 01:39:16,250 --> 01:39:14,280 forward to reading that I would have 2090 01:39:18,890 --> 01:39:16,260 read first uh but somehow I don't know 2091 01:39:20,410 --> 01:39:18,900 how I got I got a hold of the other one 2092 01:39:23,090 --> 01:39:20,420 um the Grays have been framed 2093 01:39:24,530 --> 01:39:23,100 exploitation in the UFO Community can 2094 01:39:25,669 --> 01:39:24,540 you explain a little bit about that book 2095 01:39:27,970 --> 01:39:25,679 and and 2096 01:39:30,890 --> 01:39:27,980 and that's how we'll uh leave you here 2097 01:39:34,010 --> 01:39:30,900 sure that book 2098 01:39:38,750 --> 01:39:34,020 um is as we we've kind of circled back 2099 01:39:41,709 --> 01:39:38,760 to the beginning as I began talking to 2100 01:39:46,370 --> 01:39:41,719 um the Pro 2101 01:39:51,250 --> 01:39:46,380 extraterrestrial alien abduction people 2102 01:39:54,950 --> 01:39:51,260 um the hypnosis Advocates I uh began 2103 01:39:58,189 --> 01:39:54,960 looking into what what the what the 2104 01:40:01,430 --> 01:39:58,199 history of hypnosis is and what do the 2105 01:40:04,189 --> 01:40:01,440 what do the experts tell us and then 2106 01:40:08,209 --> 01:40:04,199 what do the witnesses tell us and what 2107 01:40:11,990 --> 01:40:08,219 has happened with this topic and I go 2108 01:40:15,110 --> 01:40:12,000 into the carpenter Affair and uh spoke 2109 01:40:18,290 --> 01:40:15,120 with with people involved with it and 2110 01:40:21,669 --> 01:40:18,300 which was an instance where uh 2111 01:40:26,270 --> 01:40:21,679 move finds abduction 2112 01:40:30,310 --> 01:40:26,280 director of abduction research sold uh 2113 01:40:33,110 --> 01:40:30,320 copies of trade Styles and allegedly 2114 01:40:35,870 --> 01:40:33,120 recordings of hypnosis sessions to 2115 01:40:37,490 --> 01:40:35,880 Robert Bigelow yeah and they were 2116 01:40:39,890 --> 01:40:37,500 supposed to be confidential reports 2117 01:40:42,590 --> 01:40:39,900 right yeah yeah 2118 01:40:45,890 --> 01:40:42,600 um the the people certainly had no 2119 01:40:48,169 --> 01:40:45,900 knowledge this was going on and as you 2120 01:40:53,930 --> 01:40:48,179 and I have been discussing tonight I 2121 01:40:57,649 --> 01:40:53,940 just go over several circumstances of uh 2122 01:40:59,750 --> 01:40:57,659 um exploitation of the topic but and you 2123 01:41:03,229 --> 01:40:59,760 know some of it involves intelligence 2124 01:41:06,950 --> 01:41:03,239 agencies some of it doesn't and 2125 01:41:09,649 --> 01:41:06,960 oftentimes the motives are unclear and 2126 01:41:13,129 --> 01:41:09,659 as I mentioned earlier just 2127 01:41:14,770 --> 01:41:13,139 um if you have any questions about Boya 2128 01:41:19,930 --> 01:41:14,780 circumstances 2129 01:41:22,310 --> 01:41:19,940 expanding 2130 01:41:24,770 --> 01:41:22,320 frontiersresearch.org and we would be 2131 01:41:27,830 --> 01:41:24,780 happy to help or point you in the 2132 01:41:30,729 --> 01:41:27,840 direction of people that will and if 2133 01:41:35,149 --> 01:41:30,739 you're interested in either of my books 2134 01:41:37,669 --> 01:41:35,159 I have a standing offer that if uh now's 2135 01:41:41,450 --> 01:41:37,679 not a good time to buy one or if you'd 2136 01:41:44,209 --> 01:41:41,460 be willing to do a short review on 2137 01:41:48,350 --> 01:41:44,219 Amazon if you enjoy reading them I'm 2138 01:41:50,930 --> 01:41:48,360 happy to provide a free pdf of either 2139 01:41:53,810 --> 01:41:50,940 book just that's that's awesome Mr 2140 01:41:56,450 --> 01:41:53,820 Brewer but for me I I have a huge 2141 01:41:58,609 --> 01:41:56,460 collection of ebooks and PDFs but I I 2142 01:42:00,290 --> 01:41:58,619 can't stand reading on a tablet I much 2143 01:42:03,770 --> 01:42:00,300 prefer the physical book so I'm going to 2144 01:42:06,109 --> 01:42:03,780 buy the book but I love that you uh are 2145 01:42:08,689 --> 01:42:06,119 willing to it's the same kind of thing 2146 01:42:10,430 --> 01:42:08,699 that we do here you know for people that 2147 01:42:12,229 --> 01:42:10,440 have a really true interest and just 2148 01:42:15,169 --> 01:42:12,239 don't have a couple of bucks I want to 2149 01:42:16,550 --> 01:42:15,179 thank you for doing that uh because we 2150 01:42:18,530 --> 01:42:16,560 do the same kind of thing here we have 2151 01:42:20,450 --> 01:42:18,540 some extras on patreon and if you're a 2152 01:42:22,490 --> 01:42:20,460 member but I always say if you're having 2153 01:42:24,709 --> 01:42:22,500 a tough time just email me and I'll send 2154 01:42:26,570 --> 01:42:24,719 you the same links you know because the 2155 01:42:27,890 --> 01:42:26,580 information is important and getting it 2156 01:42:29,629 --> 01:42:27,900 in the hands of people who have a 2157 01:42:31,850 --> 01:42:29,639 genuine interest especially being a 2158 01:42:33,290 --> 01:42:31,860 niche topic like this it's great that 2159 01:42:35,930 --> 01:42:33,300 you do that so I'm going to look forward 2160 01:42:37,669 --> 01:42:35,940 to reading the Grays have been framed 2161 01:42:40,550 --> 01:42:37,679 because this is right up my alley and 2162 01:42:43,129 --> 01:42:40,560 and I also wanted to mention to you that 2163 01:42:44,410 --> 01:42:43,139 I interviewed Barbara lamb who does a 2164 01:42:47,810 --> 01:42:44,420 lot of uh 2165 01:42:49,910 --> 01:42:47,820 hypnosis and she is a True Believer 2166 01:42:51,830 --> 01:42:49,920 everybody she hypnotized suddenly 2167 01:42:54,109 --> 01:42:51,840 they're an alien abduction victim that's 2168 01:42:56,450 --> 01:42:54,119 not a coincidence to me these people 2169 01:42:58,370 --> 01:42:56,460 that are doing these hypnotic 2170 01:43:00,950 --> 01:42:58,380 regressions with so-called abduction 2171 01:43:03,950 --> 01:43:00,960 victims they're not impartial 2172 01:43:05,870 --> 01:43:03,960 you know clinical hypnotists or anything 2173 01:43:08,570 --> 01:43:05,880 like that they're they're kind of 2174 01:43:11,270 --> 01:43:08,580 whack-a-doos I'll just say it then she 2175 01:43:13,250 --> 01:43:11,280 had a book on the hybrids and I offered 2176 01:43:14,990 --> 01:43:13,260 to pay for DNA tests for all these 2177 01:43:18,609 --> 01:43:15,000 people that claimed to be human hybrids 2178 01:43:21,709 --> 01:43:18,619 and they wouldn't do it and so 2179 01:43:23,750 --> 01:43:21,719 interesting and and great uh great to 2180 01:43:25,070 --> 01:43:23,760 get to finally talk to you in person I'm 2181 01:43:26,930 --> 01:43:25,080 so glad that you're here I hope you 2182 01:43:28,910 --> 01:43:26,940 won't be a stranger and I want to let 2183 01:43:31,669 --> 01:43:28,920 people know that you can follow Jack 2184 01:43:33,350 --> 01:43:31,679 Brewer on Twitter uh you can visit his 2185 01:43:35,390 --> 01:43:33,360 website where you can buy one of his 2186 01:43:38,030 --> 01:43:35,400 books on Amazon and support his 2187 01:43:39,709 --> 01:43:38,040 excellent work and the links to do all 2188 01:43:40,910 --> 01:43:39,719 of that are right in the description of 2189 01:43:42,709 --> 01:43:40,920 this video 2190 01:43:44,629 --> 01:43:42,719 so I hope you're going to come back soon 2191 01:43:46,129 --> 01:43:44,639 Mr Brewer I'm going to read your book 2192 01:43:48,470 --> 01:43:46,139 and then I'll make you come back I think 2193 01:43:50,570 --> 01:43:48,480 that would be good right sounds good 2194 01:43:54,950 --> 01:43:50,580 read this other book because I think a 2195 01:43:57,649 --> 01:43:54,960 show just Barbara lamb makes yeah I I 2196 01:44:00,669 --> 01:43:57,659 couldn't cover but here's what I'm 2197 01:44:04,910 --> 01:44:00,679 saying here's what I'll say Mr Brewer 2198 01:44:07,570 --> 01:44:04,920 lamb looks like sounds like an 2199 01:44:09,950 --> 01:44:07,580 incredibly reminds me of my grandmother 2200 01:44:12,470 --> 01:44:09,960 and I mean I had two grandmothers but I 2201 01:44:15,050 --> 01:44:12,480 was close with one she reminds me so 2202 01:44:17,450 --> 01:44:15,060 much that I had a hard time like I 2203 01:44:19,370 --> 01:44:17,460 gotched her really good in the interview 2204 01:44:21,830 --> 01:44:19,380 because I started pushing her like look 2205 01:44:23,629 --> 01:44:21,840 I'll pay for the DNA if there's any kind 2206 01:44:25,070 --> 01:44:23,639 of if they really are alien hybrids 2207 01:44:26,870 --> 01:44:25,080 these people you're selling a book 2208 01:44:28,729 --> 01:44:26,880 claiming they are any of these people 2209 01:44:30,950 --> 01:44:28,739 take a DNA test we'll know right away 2210 01:44:32,870 --> 01:44:30,960 and I'll pay for it and there was all 2211 01:44:35,450 --> 01:44:32,880 these excuses they can't do it the 2212 01:44:36,890 --> 01:44:35,460 government will find out about them and 2213 01:44:39,169 --> 01:44:36,900 you know 2214 01:44:41,270 --> 01:44:39,179 I had a hard time being pushy with her 2215 01:44:43,669 --> 01:44:41,280 because she's such a nice lace I'll give 2216 01:44:45,470 --> 01:44:43,679 her that she's a beautiful nice lady and 2217 01:44:47,330 --> 01:44:45,480 she reminds me of my grandmom but she 2218 01:44:50,870 --> 01:44:47,340 reminds me of my grandmom that got 2219 01:44:53,390 --> 01:44:50,880 hooked on Wackadoo you know like whack 2220 01:44:55,430 --> 01:44:53,400 like she just reminded me of my grandma 2221 01:44:58,070 --> 01:44:55,440 so much that I had a hard time I 2222 01:44:59,629 --> 01:44:58,080 couldn't be mean to her or even 2223 01:45:01,910 --> 01:44:59,639 aggressive I was having trouble even 2224 01:45:04,550 --> 01:45:01,920 being aggressive with her because she's 2225 01:45:06,410 --> 01:45:04,560 so nice and disarming and and what I 2226 01:45:08,750 --> 01:45:06,420 walked away from saying she truly 2227 01:45:11,810 --> 01:45:08,760 believes that this is all 100 real she's 2228 01:45:14,229 --> 01:45:11,820 not a grifter she's not a scammer she 2229 01:45:17,570 --> 01:45:14,239 just truly believes all of this and and 2230 01:45:21,950 --> 01:45:17,580 so she's cherry-picking data to fit her 2231 01:45:25,129 --> 01:45:21,960 beliefs you know or creating data 2232 01:45:28,189 --> 01:45:25,139 I think a lot of people do believe it 2233 01:45:31,790 --> 01:45:28,199 and then they kind of have to do these 2234 01:45:35,629 --> 01:45:31,800 mental gymnastics to to make it fit and 2235 01:45:39,109 --> 01:45:35,639 I go into a lot of that in the Grays 2236 01:45:43,010 --> 01:45:39,119 um I I spoke with Carol Rainey yeah 2237 01:45:46,970 --> 01:45:43,020 former wife of Bud Hopkins and also it 2238 01:45:49,810 --> 01:45:46,980 it focuses a lot on the Emma Woods and 2239 01:45:54,709 --> 01:45:49,820 David Jacobs Story and 2240 01:45:57,709 --> 01:45:54,719 PhD panigate it it's it's good you know 2241 01:46:00,830 --> 01:45:57,719 some of it's just really dark but I I 2242 01:46:01,910 --> 01:46:00,840 feel like needed to be 2243 01:46:04,310 --> 01:46:01,920 um 2244 01:46:07,250 --> 01:46:04,320 looked at a little harder well I 2245 01:46:09,470 --> 01:46:07,260 thoroughly enjoy I can do you know I 2246 01:46:11,810 --> 01:46:09,480 thoroughly enjoyed the nycat book so and 2247 01:46:13,790 --> 01:46:11,820 this other one is right up my alley and 2248 01:46:16,010 --> 01:46:13,800 I love the title like the Grays have 2249 01:46:17,570 --> 01:46:16,020 been framed it's not their fault these 2250 01:46:20,629 --> 01:46:17,580 people are just blaming them for all 2251 01:46:22,129 --> 01:46:20,639 this stuff it's a great concept yeah so 2252 01:46:24,109 --> 01:46:22,139 listen you don't be a stranger we'll 2253 01:46:25,370 --> 01:46:24,119 have you come I'm I'm telling you right 2254 01:46:28,609 --> 01:46:25,380 now I'm going to order the book tonight 2255 01:46:30,530 --> 01:46:28,619 or so so uh I'll have it read in a few 2256 01:46:32,510 --> 01:46:30,540 weeks I'll contact you back and and I 2257 01:46:34,250 --> 01:46:32,520 will contact you off here I'm going to 2258 01:46:36,169 --> 01:46:34,260 ask you publicly for that for a favor 2259 01:46:38,270 --> 01:46:36,179 with this case that I've worked on 2260 01:46:40,129 --> 01:46:38,280 because I'm at a standstill with these 2261 01:46:42,109 --> 01:46:40,139 government pricks I need somebody to 2262 01:46:43,850 --> 01:46:42,119 help me navigate these right to no 2263 01:46:47,390 --> 01:46:43,860 requests and what they can and can't 2264 01:46:49,850 --> 01:46:47,400 tell me no to and or look at the such I 2265 01:46:52,070 --> 01:46:49,860 I thought of a new attack angle which is 2266 01:46:54,109 --> 01:46:52,080 to start filing right to no requests for 2267 01:46:56,330 --> 01:46:54,119 how much resources they are dedicating 2268 01:46:58,310 --> 01:46:56,340 to this case because they're claiming 2269 01:47:00,050 --> 01:46:58,320 that they they're they can't release any 2270 01:47:02,330 --> 01:47:00,060 of the documents because it's ongoing 2271 01:47:04,010 --> 01:47:02,340 well let's see how all going how many 2272 01:47:06,109 --> 01:47:04,020 detectives are assigned to the case how 2273 01:47:08,270 --> 01:47:06,119 many weeks how much time do they spend 2274 01:47:10,070 --> 01:47:08,280 each week working on the case you know I 2275 01:47:12,590 --> 01:47:10,080 think you can help me figure out how to 2276 01:47:14,870 --> 01:47:12,600 like start jamming it to them so and I'd 2277 01:47:16,609 --> 01:47:14,880 appreciate that favor very much and 2278 01:47:18,530 --> 01:47:16,619 getting the knowledge of your benefit of 2279 01:47:19,910 --> 01:47:18,540 experience will help with that case the 2280 01:47:21,830 --> 01:47:19,920 family would really like to know what 2281 01:47:25,010 --> 01:47:21,840 happened and I'd like to thank you 2282 01:47:26,510 --> 01:47:25,020 whatever I can to help them yeah all 2283 01:47:28,310 --> 01:47:26,520 right well thank you Mr Brewer and 2284 01:47:29,629 --> 01:47:28,320 you've you're a stream yard veteran so 2285 01:47:31,370 --> 01:47:29,639 you know you could just close down the 2286 01:47:33,530 --> 01:47:31,380 browser tab once I throw you out of here 2287 01:47:34,970 --> 01:47:33,540 and you'll be good all your links are in 2288 01:47:37,609 --> 01:47:34,980 the description of this video highly 2289 01:47:39,410 --> 01:47:37,619 recommend his book The the first one the 2290 01:47:40,850 --> 01:47:39,420 nycat book I really enjoyed and I'm 2291 01:47:44,149 --> 01:47:40,860 going to get the second one and we'll do 2292 01:47:45,830 --> 01:47:44,159 a review here so thank you Mr Brewer you 2293 01:47:48,050 --> 01:47:45,840 have a great evening thanks for having 2294 01:47:50,990 --> 01:47:48,060 me thank you yeah my pleasure all right 2295 01:47:52,729 --> 01:47:51,000 friends uh thank you Mr Brewer what an 2296 01:47:54,950 --> 01:47:52,739 amazing conversation and this is the 2297 01:47:58,370 --> 01:47:54,960 kind of stuff that I really like I like 2298 01:47:59,990 --> 01:47:58,380 bringing interesting uh people here and 2299 01:48:03,109 --> 01:48:00,000 just having a great conversation and 2300 01:48:04,970 --> 01:48:03,119 bringing you all along with me we want 2301 01:48:06,830 --> 01:48:04,980 to thank Al Warrior for a Kind and 2302 01:48:08,570 --> 01:48:06,840 Generous ten dollar Super Chat thank you 2303 01:48:11,390 --> 01:48:08,580 for the kindness generosity and support 2304 01:48:13,490 --> 01:48:11,400 he says praise the cash and we think red 2305 01:48:16,729 --> 01:48:13,500 panda koala for Kylie Jenner's five 2306 01:48:18,850 --> 01:48:16,739 dollars says who from the flying uh oh 2307 01:48:21,410 --> 01:48:18,860 I'm sorry I didn't real I didn't see her 2308 01:48:23,689 --> 01:48:21,420 uh tweet till just now but I can message 2309 01:48:25,609 --> 01:48:23,699 him and I'll message you the answer who 2310 01:48:27,830 --> 01:48:25,619 from the Flying Saucer era would Jack 2311 01:48:30,350 --> 01:48:27,840 Brewer like to eat dinner with if given 2312 01:48:32,810 --> 01:48:30,360 the opportunity I'm sure that I can get 2313 01:48:35,649 --> 01:48:32,820 you an answer for that so I appreciate 2314 01:48:38,030 --> 01:48:35,659 that and we say thank you as well to 2315 01:48:39,830 --> 01:48:38,040 falconelli uh for a Kind and Generous 2316 01:48:41,750 --> 01:48:39,840 five dollar Super Chat says thanks for 2317 01:48:43,370 --> 01:48:41,760 your public service Stephen this is 2318 01:48:44,450 --> 01:48:43,380 dedicated to the worst week of the year 2319 01:48:46,850 --> 01:48:44,460 for me 2320 01:48:49,370 --> 01:48:46,860 but all good peace out well I'm sorry 2321 01:48:53,930 --> 01:48:49,380 that you're having that week boy I call 2322 01:48:55,729 --> 01:48:53,940 it uh uh a storm an S storm and you know 2323 01:48:57,649 --> 01:48:55,739 what word I mean 2324 01:48:59,810 --> 01:48:57,659 um every once in a while 2325 01:49:01,850 --> 01:48:59,820 just have a lot of not good things 2326 01:49:05,330 --> 01:49:01,860 happen in a row and that can ruin your 2327 01:49:07,490 --> 01:49:05,340 week your month or you know more so I'm 2328 01:49:09,530 --> 01:49:07,500 sorry you're having a tough time and I 2329 01:49:11,030 --> 01:49:09,540 hope that things improve for you and we 2330 01:49:12,770 --> 01:49:11,040 want to thank you for your kindness your 2331 01:49:14,990 --> 01:49:12,780 generosity and your support of the show 2332 01:49:17,510 --> 01:49:15,000 we also want to take a moment to thank 2333 01:49:20,090 --> 01:49:17,520 all of our kind and generous benefactors 2334 01:49:22,310 --> 01:49:20,100 including our twitch subscribers our 2335 01:49:24,770 --> 01:49:22,320 patreon supporters and our channel 2336 01:49:30,109 --> 01:49:24,780 members thanks to all of you for helping 2337 01:49:34,189 --> 01:49:32,270 and uh we'll take a moment to check in 2338 01:49:35,690 --> 01:49:34,199 with our PayPal pledgers I wanted to 2339 01:49:36,790 --> 01:49:35,700 take a moment also to address 2340 01:49:39,470 --> 01:49:36,800 [Applause] 2341 01:49:44,149 --> 01:49:39,480 comment from the live chat from somebody 2342 01:49:48,950 --> 01:49:44,159 who has sent me I believe this person 2343 01:49:56,689 --> 01:49:54,109 or you know responses to things 2344 01:50:00,530 --> 01:49:56,699 um you know like YouTube comments maybe 2345 01:50:02,930 --> 01:50:00,540 uh some messages in the live chat 2346 01:50:05,750 --> 01:50:02,940 and I believe that person's complaint is 2347 01:50:08,390 --> 01:50:05,760 that I have a religion and I don't 2348 01:50:10,550 --> 01:50:08,400 demand evidence for my religion but I 2349 01:50:13,669 --> 01:50:10,560 demand evidence for everything else 2350 01:50:16,070 --> 01:50:13,679 and um I guess you know I've tried to 2351 01:50:18,109 --> 01:50:16,080 address this multiple times I have my 2352 01:50:20,990 --> 01:50:18,119 own personal belief system or or system 2353 01:50:23,390 --> 01:50:21,000 of spirituality and belief system I grew 2354 01:50:25,490 --> 01:50:23,400 up Catholic I later left the Catholic 2355 01:50:26,770 --> 01:50:25,500 church and now I would consider myself a 2356 01:50:30,410 --> 01:50:26,780 non 2357 01:50:32,810 --> 01:50:30,420 denominational Christian and I also 2358 01:50:34,910 --> 01:50:32,820 um am 2359 01:50:38,390 --> 01:50:34,920 at least that was at one time very big 2360 01:50:40,850 --> 01:50:38,400 on uh Buddhism and meditation and uh I 2361 01:50:42,109 --> 01:50:40,860 kind of formed my own system of doing 2362 01:50:46,790 --> 01:50:42,119 both 2363 01:50:48,590 --> 01:50:46,800 I find that my spiritual practices uh 2364 01:50:51,050 --> 01:50:48,600 surrounding both Christianity and 2365 01:50:54,530 --> 01:50:51,060 Buddhism have been extremely beneficial 2366 01:50:58,850 --> 01:50:54,540 to my life uh to my 2367 01:51:00,050 --> 01:50:58,860 to everything and I also I don't push my 2368 01:51:02,649 --> 01:51:00,060 personal 2369 01:51:06,950 --> 01:51:02,659 belief system on anyone else 2370 01:51:10,430 --> 01:51:06,960 uh as far as not demanding evidence 2371 01:51:13,490 --> 01:51:10,440 yeah I would say uh spirituality or 2372 01:51:16,430 --> 01:51:13,500 religion is is largely a faith faith 2373 01:51:19,550 --> 01:51:16,440 belief system and if you're going to 2374 01:51:22,250 --> 01:51:19,560 take such incredible offense to me not 2375 01:51:25,310 --> 01:51:22,260 demanding evidence of my religious 2376 01:51:28,490 --> 01:51:25,320 beliefs I have demanded evidence of my 2377 01:51:30,770 --> 01:51:28,500 religious beliefs uh to priests to 2378 01:51:33,410 --> 01:51:30,780 ministers to people teaching meditation 2379 01:51:35,090 --> 01:51:33,420 classes I have tried to ask as many 2380 01:51:37,430 --> 01:51:35,100 questions as possible to fully 2381 01:51:39,709 --> 01:51:37,440 understand and uh 2382 01:51:44,689 --> 01:51:39,719 I am satisfied 2383 01:51:47,330 --> 01:51:44,699 with my own belief system because the uh 2384 01:51:50,209 --> 01:51:47,340 spiritual practices that I have 2385 01:51:52,669 --> 01:51:50,219 are very beneficial to me 2386 01:51:54,649 --> 01:51:52,679 they may not be to you and you may not 2387 01:51:57,229 --> 01:51:54,659 believe uh you know I have a friend 2388 01:52:00,770 --> 01:51:57,239 who's an atheist and and occasionally he 2389 01:52:03,830 --> 01:52:00,780 and I have a conversation like you know 2390 01:52:05,810 --> 01:52:03,840 he's a huge atheist it's just all an 2391 01:52:08,990 --> 01:52:05,820 accident the whole universe is just an 2392 01:52:10,669 --> 01:52:09,000 accident it's the big bang and okay uh 2393 01:52:13,490 --> 01:52:10,679 we can agree to disagree 2394 01:52:16,490 --> 01:52:13,500 I Look to things like the way that the 2395 01:52:19,910 --> 01:52:16,500 Universe Works the dials of the universe 2396 01:52:22,189 --> 01:52:19,920 and remember the dials of the universe 2397 01:52:24,709 --> 01:52:22,199 would probably contain an awful lot of 2398 01:52:27,530 --> 01:52:24,719 variables trillions billions of 2399 01:52:31,490 --> 01:52:27,540 different variables and all of those 2400 01:52:36,050 --> 01:52:31,500 variables those knobs are set perfectly 2401 01:52:39,490 --> 01:52:36,060 right to create life to create Sons to 2402 01:52:42,649 --> 01:52:39,500 create star systems planets 2403 01:52:46,010 --> 01:52:42,659 ecosystems in our case 2404 01:52:48,649 --> 01:52:46,020 um and I'm sorry uh I take that as 2405 01:52:50,990 --> 01:52:48,659 evidence of a Divine creator 2406 01:52:52,310 --> 01:52:51,000 you're free to disagree if if you 2407 01:52:54,950 --> 01:52:52,320 believe everything was all an accident 2408 01:52:57,050 --> 01:52:54,960 and there wasn't an intelligence behind 2409 01:52:59,689 --> 01:52:57,060 the design of our universe 2410 01:53:01,490 --> 01:52:59,699 then I respect your opinions and beliefs 2411 01:53:02,570 --> 01:53:01,500 and I would hope that you would respect 2412 01:53:04,910 --> 01:53:02,580 mine 2413 01:53:06,830 --> 01:53:04,920 and uh you know I don't know what else 2414 01:53:08,689 --> 01:53:06,840 to say on this issue but this person has 2415 01:53:10,729 --> 01:53:08,699 sent me a lot you know several messages 2416 01:53:11,990 --> 01:53:10,739 I believe and I don't think they're you 2417 01:53:18,050 --> 01:53:12,000 know 2418 01:53:22,490 --> 01:53:18,060 push or or force my spiritual beliefs on 2419 01:53:26,149 --> 01:53:22,500 anyone no my spiritual beliefs and my uh 2420 01:53:30,410 --> 01:53:26,159 religious beliefs are my own in fact 2421 01:53:33,649 --> 01:53:30,420 you know I I just 2422 01:53:35,810 --> 01:53:33,659 I have seen the evidence that I need to 2423 01:53:37,970 --> 01:53:35,820 see of uh 2424 01:53:39,470 --> 01:53:37,980 of a Divine Creator and we'll leave it 2425 01:53:41,030 --> 01:53:39,480 at that 2426 01:53:43,669 --> 01:53:41,040 um 2427 01:53:44,930 --> 01:53:43,679 I find prayer and meditation very 2428 01:53:46,729 --> 01:53:44,940 helpful 2429 01:53:50,090 --> 01:53:46,739 in my life 2430 01:53:51,830 --> 01:53:50,100 so you know what do you want me to do uh 2431 01:53:54,290 --> 01:53:51,840 and by the way I have been incredibly 2432 01:53:57,109 --> 01:53:54,300 critical of some 2433 01:53:59,629 --> 01:53:57,119 religious beliefs or 2434 01:54:02,810 --> 01:53:59,639 I've been incredibly critical of the 2435 01:54:07,189 --> 01:54:02,820 Vatican and the Catholics and and uh 2436 01:54:09,169 --> 01:54:07,199 but I was also the benefit of uh of the 2437 01:54:10,550 --> 01:54:09,179 Catholics I I got an incredible 2438 01:54:13,370 --> 01:54:10,560 education 2439 01:54:15,350 --> 01:54:13,380 by Catholic uh priests and brothers and 2440 01:54:17,870 --> 01:54:15,360 nuns and 2441 01:54:19,729 --> 01:54:17,880 I mean I knew people growing up who were 2442 01:54:21,890 --> 01:54:19,739 going to public school who couldn't read 2443 01:54:24,609 --> 01:54:21,900 when they were in going into high school 2444 01:54:26,510 --> 01:54:24,619 they could barely read 2445 01:54:28,070 --> 01:54:26,520 so 2446 01:54:30,649 --> 01:54:28,080 I guess there's good and bad in 2447 01:54:32,930 --> 01:54:30,659 everything right the Catholics gave me a 2448 01:54:36,410 --> 01:54:32,940 great education and for that I will 2449 01:54:39,950 --> 01:54:36,420 always be thankful to them 2450 01:54:43,010 --> 01:54:39,960 um you know but I sincerely disagree uh 2451 01:54:44,450 --> 01:54:43,020 with a lot of Catholicism that's why I 2452 01:54:45,590 --> 01:54:44,460 left 2453 01:54:48,649 --> 01:54:45,600 um 2454 01:54:50,149 --> 01:54:48,659 I never I I intended for a time to find 2455 01:54:52,310 --> 01:54:50,159 a Christian Church that I felt 2456 01:54:55,609 --> 01:54:52,320 comfortable with never have 2457 01:54:57,229 --> 01:54:55,619 um maybe I will still do that still a 2458 01:55:00,890 --> 01:54:57,239 possibility for now 2459 01:55:01,910 --> 01:55:00,900 I practice my beliefs and spirituality 2460 01:55:04,129 --> 01:55:01,920 solo 2461 01:55:07,390 --> 01:55:04,139 I read spiritual texts including the 2462 01:55:10,490 --> 01:55:07,400 Bible the bhagavad-gita 2463 01:55:14,689 --> 01:55:10,500 text from Buddhism 2464 01:55:16,070 --> 01:55:14,699 um I've read the Quran the Hebrew Bible 2465 01:55:20,330 --> 01:55:16,080 um 2466 01:55:22,129 --> 01:55:20,340 yeah some people think it's all uh 2467 01:55:24,709 --> 01:55:22,139 you know 2468 01:55:31,129 --> 01:55:24,719 just 2469 01:55:34,669 --> 01:55:31,139 stories have incredible value because as 2470 01:55:37,430 --> 01:55:34,679 a child growing up all of the things 2471 01:55:39,590 --> 01:55:37,440 that make me a good person 2472 01:55:41,209 --> 01:55:39,600 uh well not all of them but many of the 2473 01:55:45,410 --> 01:55:41,219 things that make me a good person 2474 01:55:48,530 --> 01:55:45,420 including my sense of uh empathy for 2475 01:55:50,450 --> 01:55:48,540 suffering people including my sense of 2476 01:55:55,310 --> 01:55:50,460 fair play morality 2477 01:55:56,750 --> 01:55:55,320 and good ethics all came from stories in 2478 01:55:58,010 --> 01:55:56,760 the Bible 2479 01:56:00,290 --> 01:55:58,020 so 2480 01:56:02,990 --> 01:56:00,300 what if I found out tomorrow that all 2481 01:56:05,330 --> 01:56:03,000 those stories were completely fictitious 2482 01:56:09,050 --> 01:56:05,340 would that negate the benefits that I 2483 01:56:10,970 --> 01:56:09,060 have gotten from them I don't think so 2484 01:56:14,350 --> 01:56:10,980 um and 2485 01:56:17,209 --> 01:56:14,360 I think that uh like I said 2486 01:56:19,790 --> 01:56:17,219 some people think that the Bible is just 2487 01:56:21,709 --> 01:56:19,800 stories and you're free to think that 2488 01:56:23,990 --> 01:56:21,719 but I have seen the benefit of those 2489 01:56:27,050 --> 01:56:24,000 stories in my own personal life 2490 01:56:32,149 --> 01:56:29,870 growing up I became very empathetic for 2491 01:56:34,189 --> 01:56:32,159 uh animals and I became very empathetic 2492 01:56:36,890 --> 01:56:34,199 of homeless people 2493 01:56:38,570 --> 01:56:36,900 and uh you know as a child I would make 2494 01:56:40,669 --> 01:56:38,580 peanut butter and jelly sandwiches for 2495 01:56:42,590 --> 01:56:40,679 the bum that lived in our neighborhood 2496 01:56:43,970 --> 01:56:42,600 and I want to use that word for the 2497 01:56:47,510 --> 01:56:43,980 homeless man 2498 01:56:52,609 --> 01:56:50,930 probably mentally disabled veteran who 2499 01:56:54,229 --> 01:56:52,619 found himself homeless refused to talk 2500 01:56:56,090 --> 01:56:54,239 to his family I would give the guy 2501 01:56:58,669 --> 01:56:56,100 sandwiches 2502 01:57:01,490 --> 01:56:58,679 I learned that from the Bible 2503 01:57:04,910 --> 01:57:01,500 you know whatsoever you do to the least 2504 01:57:07,669 --> 01:57:04,920 of my people that you do unto me 2505 01:57:10,250 --> 01:57:07,679 that's an incredible lesson that any of 2506 01:57:12,890 --> 01:57:10,260 us could use to uh 2507 01:57:14,870 --> 01:57:12,900 to live our lives by whatsoever you do 2508 01:57:16,250 --> 01:57:14,880 to the least of my people that you do 2509 01:57:18,050 --> 01:57:16,260 unto me 2510 01:57:20,330 --> 01:57:18,060 I saw kids 2511 01:57:22,970 --> 01:57:20,340 you know throw rocks at that guy who was 2512 01:57:26,510 --> 01:57:22,980 homeless sleeping on a gutter 2513 01:57:28,790 --> 01:57:26,520 I gave him sandwiches and uh I talked to 2514 01:57:31,790 --> 01:57:28,800 him I try to help him I brought him 2515 01:57:33,589 --> 01:57:31,800 things right 2516 01:57:36,169 --> 01:57:33,599 um once he had really bad athlete's foot 2517 01:57:39,790 --> 01:57:36,179 a strange thing but he said that he 2518 01:57:42,290 --> 01:57:39,800 needed uh athlete's foot powder I 2519 01:57:44,390 --> 01:57:42,300 borrowed it from my house 2520 01:57:45,950 --> 01:57:44,400 so you know people could say whatever 2521 01:57:48,290 --> 01:57:45,960 they want about me being not so 2522 01:57:51,470 --> 01:57:48,300 skeptical of my religious beliefs I'm 2523 01:57:53,750 --> 01:57:51,480 beyond skepticism I uh 2524 01:57:57,589 --> 01:57:53,760 I'm comfortable with where I'm at with 2525 01:58:00,169 --> 01:57:57,599 my beliefs about religion God angels 2526 01:58:03,589 --> 01:58:00,179 demons and spirituality 2527 01:58:05,570 --> 01:58:03,599 I have seen the benefits of uh of 2528 01:58:07,010 --> 01:58:05,580 spiritual practice and everybody's 2529 01:58:08,390 --> 01:58:07,020 spiritual practice is different some 2530 01:58:11,030 --> 01:58:08,400 people don't pray some people don't 2531 01:58:14,089 --> 01:58:11,040 meditate I try to do both and I've seen 2532 01:58:15,649 --> 01:58:14,099 the benefit in my life of doing those 2533 01:58:18,470 --> 01:58:15,659 things especially 2534 01:58:19,129 --> 01:58:18,480 I think I've mentioned this before I 2535 01:58:23,510 --> 01:58:19,139 don't 2536 01:58:25,910 --> 01:58:23,520 people I pray for my wife I pray for my 2537 01:58:29,030 --> 01:58:25,920 children I pray for the people in 2538 01:58:33,410 --> 01:58:29,040 Ukraine including both sides 2539 01:58:36,950 --> 01:58:33,420 I paid I I pray for people who uh are 2540 01:58:38,930 --> 01:58:36,960 food insecure or you know living in a 2541 01:58:40,310 --> 01:58:38,940 third world country and don't have clean 2542 01:58:42,229 --> 01:58:40,320 drinking water 2543 01:58:44,689 --> 01:58:42,239 I pray for others 2544 01:58:48,649 --> 01:58:44,699 I find that to be beneficial 2545 01:58:51,350 --> 01:58:48,659 to me and in in general 2546 01:58:53,629 --> 01:58:51,360 so I'm sorry if I'm not skeptical enough 2547 01:58:56,149 --> 01:58:53,639 of religion for you 2548 01:58:58,310 --> 01:58:56,159 and and I'm sure some people may think 2549 01:59:01,790 --> 01:58:58,320 that that's uh hypocritical or cherry 2550 01:59:04,790 --> 01:59:01,800 picking it just is what it is and again 2551 01:59:07,310 --> 01:59:04,800 since I'm not advocating or pushing my 2552 01:59:08,510 --> 01:59:07,320 own religious beliefs on any of you and 2553 01:59:11,390 --> 01:59:08,520 I never will 2554 01:59:13,089 --> 01:59:11,400 uh I don't think that this is an issue I 2555 01:59:15,649 --> 01:59:13,099 hope that I have addressed your question 2556 01:59:18,370 --> 01:59:15,659 and by the way that person has asked 2557 01:59:23,570 --> 01:59:18,380 these kind of questions many many times 2558 01:59:30,410 --> 01:59:26,209 but thank you for your uh 2559 01:59:32,089 --> 01:59:30,420 for your question now we were we are 2560 01:59:33,770 --> 01:59:32,099 going to take uh some comments and 2561 01:59:35,209 --> 01:59:33,780 questions from the live chat but before 2562 01:59:37,070 --> 01:59:35,219 we do that 2563 01:59:39,109 --> 01:59:37,080 I'm supposed to remind you like any good 2564 01:59:41,510 --> 01:59:39,119 show hosts that we are a viewer 2565 01:59:44,750 --> 01:59:41,520 supported show and what that means is 2566 01:59:47,629 --> 01:59:44,760 that our show exists and this content 2567 01:59:50,209 --> 01:59:47,639 that we produce is created through the 2568 01:59:53,030 --> 01:59:50,219 kindness generosity and support of our 2569 01:59:55,550 --> 01:59:53,040 you our audience members I want to be 2570 01:59:57,890 --> 01:59:55,560 sure to point out that our content is 2571 02:00:00,169 --> 01:59:57,900 now and always will be completely 2572 02:00:03,050 --> 02:00:00,179 available for free to anybody that wants 2573 02:00:06,169 --> 02:00:03,060 wants it online and maybe add support it 2574 02:00:08,990 --> 02:00:06,179 but it's free only those who choose to 2575 02:00:10,970 --> 02:00:09,000 support us should do so so you know 2576 02:00:12,530 --> 02:00:10,980 occasionally we get a lot of flack for 2577 02:00:15,890 --> 02:00:12,540 that as well like what makes you 2578 02:00:17,330 --> 02:00:15,900 different than the grifters You cover 2579 02:00:19,370 --> 02:00:17,340 um first of all 2580 02:00:21,890 --> 02:00:19,380 um you know I have income outside of the 2581 02:00:23,930 --> 02:00:21,900 show this is not my full-time income any 2582 02:00:25,850 --> 02:00:23,940 income to the show is kept in a separate 2583 02:00:27,410 --> 02:00:25,860 account and is only used for the show I 2584 02:00:32,089 --> 02:00:27,420 have spreadsheets if anybody would ever 2585 02:00:36,350 --> 02:00:34,070 um but I'm thankful for the kindness 2586 02:00:39,589 --> 02:00:36,360 generosity and support of all of you we 2587 02:00:41,330 --> 02:00:39,599 recently upgraded some computers and 2588 02:00:44,209 --> 02:00:41,340 um a few other things for the office 2589 02:00:46,430 --> 02:00:44,219 here that has really enabled me to 2590 02:00:48,770 --> 02:00:46,440 create more content so we're viewer 2591 02:00:50,689 --> 02:00:48,780 supported show and here's our wonderful 2592 02:00:52,370 --> 02:00:50,699 announcer the show is not over get those 2593 02:00:54,290 --> 02:00:52,380 comments and questions together put them 2594 02:00:56,030 --> 02:00:54,300 in all capital letters we're going to 2595 02:00:57,589 --> 02:00:56,040 take a very very short break just to 2596 02:00:59,450 --> 02:00:57,599 remind the people how they could support 2597 02:01:00,890 --> 02:00:59,460 the show and when I return I'll be 2598 02:01:04,310 --> 02:01:00,900 taking comments and questions from the 2599 02:01:04,320 --> 02:01:09,930 foreign 2600 02:01:38,350 --> 02:01:19,540 [Music] 2601 02:01:44,810 --> 02:01:42,050 ERS but you are missing the live tapings 2602 02:01:47,629 --> 02:01:44,820 all our shows are recorded live with 2603 02:01:49,910 --> 02:01:47,639 video themes we'd love you to come be a 2604 02:01:52,729 --> 02:01:49,920 part of our live broadcasts and tapings 2605 02:01:54,950 --> 02:01:52,739 for the podcast head on over to YouTube 2606 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02:03:29,870 --> 02:03:27,900 you've got a great deal of super high 2636 02:03:32,330 --> 02:03:29,880 quality merchandise for you to choose 2637 02:03:35,089 --> 02:03:32,340 from including t-shirts phone cases 2638 02:03:37,310 --> 02:03:35,099 sweatshirts and even pillows 2639 02:03:40,189 --> 02:03:37,320 the feedback from our products have been 2640 02:03:43,070 --> 02:03:40,199 overwhelming and great quality products 2641 02:03:44,870 --> 02:03:43,080 and fast shipping people all over the 2642 02:03:47,510 --> 02:03:44,880 world are buying some merchandise and 2643 02:03:50,390 --> 02:03:47,520 sharing their support of the show praise 2644 02:03:54,229 --> 02:03:50,400 the cash praise the cash 2645 02:03:56,810 --> 02:03:54,239 praise the cash we thank you all the 2646 02:03:58,910 --> 02:03:56,820 kind and generous benefactors who are 2647 02:04:06,850 --> 02:03:58,920 buying some merchandise and helping us 2648 02:04:06,860 --> 02:04:17,649 thank you 2649 02:04:23,629 --> 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02:06:01,970 --> 02:05:59,820 I've even got a a banner saying the 2678 02:06:06,410 --> 02:06:01,980 show's not over yet uh but so many 2679 02:06:09,050 --> 02:06:06,420 people jump off uh I understand uh and 2680 02:06:11,629 --> 02:06:09,060 and we may maybe we should start playing 2681 02:06:14,570 --> 02:06:11,639 those it's it's less than five minutes 2682 02:06:17,149 --> 02:06:14,580 of a two-hour show to remind you how to 2683 02:06:19,129 --> 02:06:17,159 that we're a viewer supported show maybe 2684 02:06:22,250 --> 02:06:19,139 we should cut that down or or spread 2685 02:06:24,709 --> 02:06:22,260 them out uh I I don't know you know we 2686 02:06:28,310 --> 02:06:24,719 are uh we are making up the rules as we 2687 02:06:30,290 --> 02:06:28,320 go here uh and somebody asked if the uh 2688 02:06:32,870 --> 02:06:30,300 merchandise store ships to Australia yes 2689 02:06:34,609 --> 02:06:32,880 it does the Redbubble store does and the 2690 02:06:38,270 --> 02:06:34,619 links are in the description of the 2691 02:06:40,790 --> 02:06:38,280 video uh here as well as the links to uh 2692 02:06:42,109 --> 02:06:40,800 Mr Brewer so comments or questions for 2693 02:06:45,169 --> 02:06:42,119 me please put them in all capital 2694 02:06:47,990 --> 02:06:45,179 letters uh spooky is here wants to buy a 2695 02:06:49,250 --> 02:06:48,000 pony that's nice to know right 2696 02:06:51,470 --> 02:06:49,260 hahaha 2697 02:06:54,830 --> 02:06:51,480 archaic revival says very good guess 2698 02:06:56,570 --> 02:06:54,840 thanks Mr Brewer come on anytime well 2699 02:06:59,149 --> 02:06:56,580 you know 2700 02:07:01,850 --> 02:06:59,159 um I try to not notice this stuff too 2701 02:07:03,470 --> 02:07:01,860 but I do want to make a comment 2702 02:07:05,390 --> 02:07:03,480 um you know there are many people who 2703 02:07:07,970 --> 02:07:05,400 are running clickbait garbage stories 2704 02:07:08,990 --> 02:07:07,980 tonight that are they're they're pumping 2705 02:07:11,510 --> 02:07:09,000 a hoax 2706 02:07:13,669 --> 02:07:11,520 and you know it's no surprise to me who 2707 02:07:15,050 --> 02:07:13,679 the people are that are doing that uh 2708 02:07:16,910 --> 02:07:15,060 but of course they get more viewers 2709 02:07:20,870 --> 02:07:16,920 because they're pumping a hoax 2710 02:07:23,750 --> 02:07:20,880 and uh it's very disappointing but you 2711 02:07:26,330 --> 02:07:23,760 know uh despite my complete and utter 2712 02:07:28,850 --> 02:07:26,340 disgust with a lot of other so-called 2713 02:07:32,209 --> 02:07:28,860 show hosts uh in this thing 2714 02:07:34,490 --> 02:07:32,219 I I kind of reminded myself that we here 2715 02:07:37,729 --> 02:07:34,500 are in a class of Our Own 2716 02:07:40,850 --> 02:07:37,739 we don't lie to our audience uh we're 2717 02:07:41,990 --> 02:07:40,860 not helping hoaxers here to sell garbage 2718 02:07:45,890 --> 02:07:42,000 stories 2719 02:07:47,930 --> 02:07:45,900 and so uh you know it's apples and 2720 02:07:50,450 --> 02:07:47,940 oranges you can't compare people that 2721 02:07:54,709 --> 02:07:50,460 have no ethics no morality and are 2722 02:07:57,830 --> 02:07:54,719 literally lying scumbags slime balls 2723 02:08:00,050 --> 02:07:57,840 to me you can't you can't I cannot 2724 02:08:02,629 --> 02:08:00,060 compare myself to those people and also 2725 02:08:04,850 --> 02:08:02,639 you know somebody sent me some nasty 2726 02:08:06,890 --> 02:08:04,860 message about some dirt ball that's you 2727 02:08:09,830 --> 02:08:06,900 know uh 2728 02:08:12,189 --> 02:08:09,840 anyway somebody sent me some nasty 2729 02:08:15,290 --> 02:08:12,199 message and and you know my thought was 2730 02:08:18,770 --> 02:08:15,300 I am not in competition with that person 2731 02:08:22,669 --> 02:08:18,780 that person is in competition uh you 2732 02:08:24,770 --> 02:08:22,679 know with how how can I be the big 2733 02:08:26,510 --> 02:08:24,780 how can I do something even more slimy 2734 02:08:28,970 --> 02:08:26,520 to get ahead how can I do something 2735 02:08:31,129 --> 02:08:28,980 completely illegal to get ahead how can 2736 02:08:34,070 --> 02:08:31,139 I lie to my audience manipulate my 2737 02:08:36,649 --> 02:08:34,080 audience scam my audience help my 2738 02:08:39,709 --> 02:08:36,659 friends scam my audience we don't do any 2739 02:08:42,530 --> 02:08:39,719 of that here so it's not a competition 2740 02:08:43,970 --> 02:08:42,540 and it's apples and oranges you can 2741 02:08:47,149 --> 02:08:43,980 either go somewhere where people are 2742 02:08:49,970 --> 02:08:47,159 gonna lie to you and and show hosts that 2743 02:08:51,589 --> 02:08:49,980 have provably lied to you 2744 02:08:54,850 --> 02:08:51,599 um or you can come here and everybody 2745 02:08:57,709 --> 02:08:54,860 makes their own choice and uh you know 2746 02:09:00,229 --> 02:08:57,719 I'm reminded of that saying don't let 2747 02:09:02,089 --> 02:09:00,239 the door hit your ass on the way out if 2748 02:09:04,550 --> 02:09:02,099 you if you want somebody that's gonna 2749 02:09:07,010 --> 02:09:04,560 lie tell you pretty lies and take your 2750 02:09:09,830 --> 02:09:07,020 you know take your money while lying to 2751 02:09:11,930 --> 02:09:09,840 you then there's plenty of places to do 2752 02:09:15,530 --> 02:09:11,940 that we're going to continue doing the 2753 02:09:17,209 --> 02:09:15,540 the moral the ethical and the good work 2754 02:09:19,430 --> 02:09:17,219 that we do here 2755 02:09:23,089 --> 02:09:19,440 they also made a comment on our Discord 2756 02:09:26,209 --> 02:09:23,099 earlier that someday this show is going 2757 02:09:28,209 --> 02:09:26,219 to end it's inevitable all things have a 2758 02:09:32,390 --> 02:09:28,219 beginning and all things have an ending 2759 02:09:35,570 --> 02:09:32,400 and when I'm done and I walk away from 2760 02:09:37,189 --> 02:09:35,580 this webcam and this microphone and this 2761 02:09:41,089 --> 02:09:37,199 set and 2762 02:09:43,550 --> 02:09:41,099 this audience when I walk away 2763 02:09:45,709 --> 02:09:43,560 I will walk away clear of conscience 2764 02:09:47,570 --> 02:09:45,719 knowing that I have done everything that 2765 02:09:50,330 --> 02:09:47,580 I could to do this show ethically 2766 02:09:52,850 --> 02:09:50,340 morally and responsibly 2767 02:09:56,510 --> 02:09:52,860 and I will be proud of the work that we 2768 02:09:59,390 --> 02:09:56,520 did here when the show inevitably ends 2769 02:10:05,810 --> 02:10:02,330 that's how I feel about it I'm not gonna 2770 02:10:07,669 --> 02:10:05,820 regret not doing slimy scammy things to 2771 02:10:10,129 --> 02:10:07,679 get more views or to get ahead of 2772 02:10:12,109 --> 02:10:10,139 somebody else I'm not going to regret 2773 02:10:13,490 --> 02:10:12,119 gee maybe if I would have lied to my 2774 02:10:15,950 --> 02:10:13,500 audience more I could have made more 2775 02:10:19,189 --> 02:10:15,960 money before the show ended you know 2776 02:10:20,030 --> 02:10:19,199 these are not these are not concerns of 2777 02:10:23,810 --> 02:10:20,040 mine 2778 02:10:26,510 --> 02:10:23,820 and the fact that we have been able here 2779 02:10:29,390 --> 02:10:26,520 to hit one million views and do it 2780 02:10:32,689 --> 02:10:29,400 without doing it the softball interviews 2781 02:10:35,390 --> 02:10:32,699 without playing along to get access to 2782 02:10:37,970 --> 02:10:35,400 the so-called UFO celebrities without 2783 02:10:40,669 --> 02:10:37,980 lying to our audience without helping 2784 02:10:43,669 --> 02:10:40,679 hoaxers self-fake stories or letting 2785 02:10:45,890 --> 02:10:43,679 people take advantage of our audience 2786 02:10:48,470 --> 02:10:45,900 use our audience for a victim pool to 2787 02:10:51,290 --> 02:10:48,480 sell garbage fake worthless stories to 2788 02:10:53,270 --> 02:10:51,300 or worthless events to 2789 02:10:56,570 --> 02:10:53,280 you know I'm not going to regret not 2790 02:11:00,770 --> 02:10:56,580 doing those things we are in a class of 2791 02:11:04,729 --> 02:11:00,780 Our Own and the the the bottom feeding 2792 02:11:07,010 --> 02:11:04,739 garbage peddling scumbags and me you you 2793 02:11:08,330 --> 02:11:07,020 can't compare me to them especially not 2794 02:11:10,430 --> 02:11:08,340 when it comes to numbers sure 2795 02:11:12,109 --> 02:11:10,440 congratulations if you're getting great 2796 02:11:14,470 --> 02:11:12,119 numbers while you're lying to your 2797 02:11:17,510 --> 02:11:14,480 audience while you're while you're 2798 02:11:21,290 --> 02:11:17,520 scamming people you don't you don't get 2799 02:11:23,750 --> 02:11:21,300 respect for getting ahead by doing dirty 2800 02:11:26,870 --> 02:11:23,760 scammy scummy things 2801 02:11:27,709 --> 02:11:26,880 and that's just my opinion and we are 2802 02:11:31,070 --> 02:11:27,719 gonna 2803 02:11:33,890 --> 02:11:31,080 continue doing things our way I'm not 2804 02:11:35,330 --> 02:11:33,900 I'm not going to get in you know I'm not 2805 02:11:37,129 --> 02:11:35,340 going to go gee 2806 02:11:39,530 --> 02:11:37,139 um you know and by the way our numbers 2807 02:11:40,250 --> 02:11:39,540 here are very very good 2808 02:11:42,589 --> 02:11:40,260 um 2809 02:11:45,229 --> 02:11:42,599 I'm not gonna I'm not gonna start 2810 02:11:47,270 --> 02:11:45,239 throwing morals and ethics in the trash 2811 02:11:50,390 --> 02:11:47,280 now we've got a three-year track record 2812 02:11:52,250 --> 02:11:50,400 of doing things the proper way here at 2813 02:11:54,530 --> 02:11:52,260 all whenever possible remember I'm the 2814 02:11:56,270 --> 02:11:54,540 one-man Army here sometimes but I'm 2815 02:11:58,850 --> 02:11:56,280 doing everything that I can to do things 2816 02:12:02,089 --> 02:11:58,860 ethically morally and I'm not going to 2817 02:12:04,270 --> 02:12:02,099 be compared to like you know do you 2818 02:12:06,890 --> 02:12:04,280 think it matters to me that some scumbag 2819 02:12:08,149 --> 02:12:06,900 that it has been lying to their audience 2820 02:12:11,149 --> 02:12:08,159 for years 2821 02:12:13,729 --> 02:12:11,159 has might have better numbers than me no 2822 02:12:16,310 --> 02:12:13,739 it doesn't look how you got there 2823 02:12:18,410 --> 02:12:16,320 how you get there you know the journey 2824 02:12:21,290 --> 02:12:18,420 is its own reward and I think how you 2825 02:12:24,050 --> 02:12:21,300 get there is just as important and what 2826 02:12:27,709 --> 02:12:24,060 you do to get there is just as important 2827 02:12:29,209 --> 02:12:27,719 as reaching the destination 2828 02:12:30,950 --> 02:12:29,219 and that's where we're at and that's 2829 02:12:34,790 --> 02:12:30,960 where we find ourselves I want to remind 2830 02:12:37,430 --> 02:12:34,800 you that we have some upcoming tonight 2831 02:12:39,050 --> 02:12:37,440 is going to be likely going to be the 2832 02:12:41,209 --> 02:12:39,060 last live show 2833 02:12:44,030 --> 02:12:41,219 of going to the cabin early again this 2834 02:12:47,209 --> 02:12:44,040 week and I'm so happy to be able to tell 2835 02:12:49,129 --> 02:12:47,219 you that this weekend for sure I'm 2836 02:12:50,870 --> 02:12:49,139 finishing that bathroom I gotta figure 2837 02:12:53,450 --> 02:12:50,880 out a curtain rod system for the stone 2838 02:12:55,609 --> 02:12:53,460 shower I have to polyurethane the floor 2839 02:12:58,850 --> 02:12:55,619 and then it's just a few odds and ends 2840 02:13:00,770 --> 02:12:58,860 cleaning up and and things like that 2841 02:13:03,770 --> 02:13:00,780 um and and I'll be going tomorrow night 2842 02:13:05,149 --> 02:13:03,780 so this is likely I'll every week I say 2843 02:13:06,770 --> 02:13:05,159 I'm going to try to do a live show from 2844 02:13:08,450 --> 02:13:06,780 the cabin but then I get busy with the 2845 02:13:10,310 --> 02:13:08,460 bathroom I'm going to try again this 2846 02:13:12,169 --> 02:13:10,320 weekend so they're like we're probably 2847 02:13:14,810 --> 02:13:12,179 going to have a fireside chat from the 2848 02:13:17,149 --> 02:13:14,820 cabin but I want to let you know that we 2849 02:13:19,310 --> 02:13:17,159 have some upcoming premieres uh tomorrow 2850 02:13:22,850 --> 02:13:19,320 at 4 P.M 2851 02:13:26,270 --> 02:13:22,860 um this is our early red flags about UFO 2852 02:13:29,990 --> 02:13:26,280 whistleblower David grush uh and oh look 2853 02:13:32,629 --> 02:13:30,000 at that we have RAF Master 23 became a 2854 02:13:35,030 --> 02:13:32,639 member and uh there's a notice for that 2855 02:13:36,830 --> 02:13:35,040 so welcome RAF Master 23 thanks you 2856 02:13:40,069 --> 02:13:36,840 thank you so much for becoming a member 2857 02:13:42,050 --> 02:13:40,079 before the premiere even starts we 2858 02:13:42,890 --> 02:13:42,060 appreciate that 2859 02:13:45,589 --> 02:13:42,900 um 2860 02:13:48,229 --> 02:13:45,599 and so this Premiere tomorrow is a 2861 02:13:50,569 --> 02:13:48,239 produced video uh it's sort of a true 2862 02:13:53,149 --> 02:13:50,579 Seeker short and these are the 10 early 2863 02:13:54,290 --> 02:13:53,159 red flags about UFO whistleblower David 2864 02:13:57,169 --> 02:13:54,300 grush 2865 02:13:59,629 --> 02:13:57,179 uh and that'll be tomorrow at 4 P.M 2866 02:14:01,550 --> 02:13:59,639 eastern time I will be in the live chat 2867 02:14:03,050 --> 02:14:01,560 it's pre-recorded but I will be right 2868 02:14:07,129 --> 02:14:03,060 there in the live chat with all of you 2869 02:14:10,910 --> 02:14:07,139 tomorrow 4 P.M Eastern Standard Time uh 2870 02:14:12,589 --> 02:14:10,920 We've also got uh this weekend we have 2871 02:14:19,550 --> 02:14:12,599 uh 2872 02:14:22,550 --> 02:14:19,560 from The Purge series another whole 2873 02:14:24,950 --> 02:14:22,560 full-length music album uh we'll be 2874 02:14:27,050 --> 02:14:24,960 debuting here this Saturday night at 10 2875 02:14:30,770 --> 02:14:27,060 p.m Eastern Standard Time this one is 2876 02:14:34,209 --> 02:14:30,780 called reborn and uh I think this is 2877 02:14:37,910 --> 02:14:34,219 perhaps my most 2878 02:14:40,310 --> 02:14:37,920 emotional uh and personal music album 2879 02:14:44,450 --> 02:14:40,320 that I've ever made in my life 2880 02:14:46,669 --> 02:14:44,460 it was uh about a very intense time in 2881 02:14:50,089 --> 02:14:46,679 my life and uh some things that I was 2882 02:14:52,370 --> 02:14:50,099 going through and music became sort of a 2883 02:14:56,270 --> 02:14:52,380 form of therapy for me during that time 2884 02:14:58,609 --> 02:14:56,280 and uh at the end of the Journey of this 2885 02:15:00,649 --> 02:14:58,619 journey of recording this album I truly 2886 02:15:02,810 --> 02:15:00,659 felt at peace 2887 02:15:05,510 --> 02:15:02,820 for the first time in a very very long 2888 02:15:07,910 --> 02:15:05,520 time and I'm I'm excited and delighted 2889 02:15:10,669 --> 02:15:07,920 to be able to bring this to you it's my 2890 02:15:12,770 --> 02:15:10,679 new album Stephen Camby and reborn and 2891 02:15:15,530 --> 02:15:12,780 of course this like all content here 2892 02:15:18,410 --> 02:15:15,540 will be available here for free uh but 2893 02:15:21,709 --> 02:15:18,420 we're doing a Premiere 10 p.m Eastern 2894 02:15:23,750 --> 02:15:21,719 Standard Time this Saturday night and uh 2895 02:15:26,629 --> 02:15:23,760 that would be I think it's the 17th 2896 02:15:28,490 --> 02:15:26,639 isn't it yes this Saturday night on the 2897 02:15:29,270 --> 02:15:28,500 17th 2898 02:15:31,669 --> 02:15:29,280 um 2899 02:15:33,410 --> 02:15:31,679 I I would appreciate you coming to the 2900 02:15:35,689 --> 02:15:33,420 live chat and hanging out with us I will 2901 02:15:38,209 --> 02:15:35,699 be at the cabin blasting this thing 2902 02:15:42,050 --> 02:15:38,219 through the biggest speakers that I have 2903 02:15:45,589 --> 02:15:42,060 there and uh and having a campfire and 2904 02:15:47,510 --> 02:15:45,599 uh sort of I guess celebrating the the 2905 02:15:51,350 --> 02:15:47,520 final week the release of this album 2906 02:15:53,810 --> 02:15:51,360 this was one of those albums that 2907 02:15:55,669 --> 02:15:53,820 I started on and then thought I'm never 2908 02:15:57,250 --> 02:15:55,679 going to finish this album it was the 2909 02:15:59,810 --> 02:15:57,260 also 2910 02:16:01,850 --> 02:15:59,820 hard for many different reasons some 2911 02:16:04,850 --> 02:16:01,860 technical some 2912 02:16:07,010 --> 02:16:04,860 um some just you know life gets in the 2913 02:16:10,069 --> 02:16:07,020 way when you have other things going on 2914 02:16:12,770 --> 02:16:10,079 but I kept watering this Garden of this 2915 02:16:14,030 --> 02:16:12,780 album I would show up and and quite 2916 02:16:16,129 --> 02:16:14,040 honestly 2917 02:16:18,229 --> 02:16:16,139 um when we were in the stage of doing 2918 02:16:20,390 --> 02:16:18,239 the overdubs the basic tracks were done 2919 02:16:22,430 --> 02:16:20,400 I was having a terrible time like I 2920 02:16:24,470 --> 02:16:22,440 couldn't play the parts right nothing 2921 02:16:27,530 --> 02:16:24,480 was working and we had all kinds of 2922 02:16:28,490 --> 02:16:27,540 technical problems as well 2923 02:16:31,129 --> 02:16:28,500 um 2924 02:16:33,530 --> 02:16:31,139 I'm just I'm just glad that this one is 2925 02:16:37,370 --> 02:16:33,540 over right when you when you when you 2926 02:16:40,490 --> 02:16:37,380 turn that last dial and uh you save that 2927 02:16:42,410 --> 02:16:40,500 last bunch of files and you have a full 2928 02:16:44,929 --> 02:16:42,420 length music album 2929 02:16:47,030 --> 02:16:44,939 uh that you I know that I will be proud 2930 02:16:49,310 --> 02:16:47,040 of this album for the rest of my life 2931 02:16:51,049 --> 02:16:49,320 and uh you know I have a pretty high bar 2932 02:16:53,330 --> 02:16:51,059 when it comes to finishing things it 2933 02:16:56,570 --> 02:16:53,340 takes me a while because I want it to be 2934 02:16:58,129 --> 02:16:56,580 right I consider my music albums to be a 2935 02:17:00,110 --> 02:16:58,139 little more than just music to me 2936 02:17:03,830 --> 02:17:00,120 they're sculptures and sound 2937 02:17:05,509 --> 02:17:03,840 they're frozen in time forever and long 2938 02:17:08,690 --> 02:17:05,519 after I'm gone people will be able to 2939 02:17:10,610 --> 02:17:08,700 listen to this album and and I hope 2940 02:17:12,950 --> 02:17:10,620 enjoy it and I hope you'll be with us 2941 02:17:15,410 --> 02:17:12,960 this Saturday night 10 p.m Eastern 2942 02:17:17,509 --> 02:17:15,420 Standard time I'll be in the live chat 2943 02:17:19,730 --> 02:17:17,519 uh celebrating the release of this album 2944 02:17:21,650 --> 02:17:19,740 hope you'll be here with me 2945 02:17:23,570 --> 02:17:21,660 I also wanted to mention that we have 2946 02:17:27,889 --> 02:17:23,580 not another premiere 2947 02:17:30,589 --> 02:17:27,899 uh which will be tomorrow night at 2948 02:17:32,450 --> 02:17:30,599 10 p.m eastern time I haven't posted it 2949 02:17:34,969 --> 02:17:32,460 yet I'm gonna I'm finishing it up and 2950 02:17:37,310 --> 02:17:34,979 posting it tonight so although we're 2951 02:17:39,049 --> 02:17:37,320 done with the uh live shows for the week 2952 02:17:42,110 --> 02:17:39,059 and by the way we did a bonus show this 2953 02:17:43,849 --> 02:17:42,120 week for our millionth view we've got a 2954 02:17:47,030 --> 02:17:43,859 million views here on the truth Seekers 2955 02:17:49,429 --> 02:17:47,040 channel so we did an uh panel show and 2956 02:17:51,169 --> 02:17:49,439 celebration last night 2957 02:17:53,509 --> 02:17:51,179 um as I said we're going to try to keep 2958 02:17:57,049 --> 02:17:53,519 it to three live shows a week to leave 2959 02:17:59,990 --> 02:17:57,059 time for these produced videos uh so 2960 02:18:01,910 --> 02:18:00,000 I think this is the way that we'll be 2961 02:18:03,889 --> 02:18:01,920 doing it going forward which is three 2962 02:18:06,410 --> 02:18:03,899 live shows per week maybe four if 2963 02:18:08,270 --> 02:18:06,420 there's time or something going on and 2964 02:18:11,290 --> 02:18:08,280 then um the rest of the days of the week 2965 02:18:14,750 --> 02:18:11,300 we'll do premieres of things my other 2966 02:18:18,650 --> 02:18:14,760 Artistic Endeavors some produced videos 2967 02:18:21,709 --> 02:18:18,660 true Seeker shorts so tomorrow night at 2968 02:18:24,049 --> 02:18:21,719 10 pm so tomorrow we have a 4 P.M of the 2969 02:18:26,570 --> 02:18:24,059 true Seeker short premiere of the 10 red 2970 02:18:30,589 --> 02:18:26,580 flags about this new whistleblower then 2971 02:18:33,110 --> 02:18:30,599 at 10 pm let me get into the Discord and 2972 02:18:35,089 --> 02:18:33,120 show you because that's a 2973 02:18:36,950 --> 02:18:35,099 I have a thumbnail in there I have not 2974 02:18:39,910 --> 02:18:36,960 posted the show yet but several weeks 2975 02:18:42,650 --> 02:18:39,920 ago I was on the radio with Ryan Gable 2976 02:18:44,030 --> 02:18:42,660 uh of the secret teachings 2977 02:18:46,190 --> 02:18:44,040 and 2978 02:18:48,770 --> 02:18:46,200 um I didn't quite realize the 2979 02:18:51,709 --> 02:18:48,780 significance of that guest appearance 2980 02:18:53,509 --> 02:18:51,719 until I listened to it 2981 02:18:55,730 --> 02:18:53,519 um because we talked about George Knapp 2982 02:18:58,190 --> 02:18:55,740 and Jeremy Corbell and the flare hoax we 2983 02:19:00,110 --> 02:18:58,200 talked about third phase of moon Marina 2984 02:19:03,770 --> 02:19:00,120 sarin you might remember her as that 2985 02:19:06,049 --> 02:19:03,780 Nazi alien you know alien hybrid that 2986 02:19:07,790 --> 02:19:06,059 has alien babies remember her 2987 02:19:09,469 --> 02:19:07,800 uh we talked about the Corey good 2988 02:19:11,929 --> 02:19:09,479 depositions we talked about Stephen 2989 02:19:14,750 --> 02:19:11,939 Greer Lou Elizondo Nick Pope and Linda 2990 02:19:17,150 --> 02:19:14,760 Moulton Howe and 2991 02:19:21,589 --> 02:19:17,160 this really was like the real dirt on 2992 02:19:24,230 --> 02:19:21,599 UFOs so uh Ryan has kindly allowed me to 2993 02:19:27,469 --> 02:19:24,240 rebroadcast the radio appearance 2994 02:19:30,049 --> 02:19:27,479 uh that we did together on his show here 2995 02:19:32,030 --> 02:19:30,059 on our Channel and I think it's a great 2996 02:19:35,030 --> 02:19:32,040 great conversation and and you really 2997 02:19:36,650 --> 02:19:35,040 get a sense of what's really going on in 2998 02:19:40,490 --> 02:19:36,660 the UFO community 2999 02:19:43,610 --> 02:19:40,500 uh so tomorrow night 10 p.m eastern time 3000 02:19:46,070 --> 02:19:43,620 we'll have the real dirt on UFOs and I 3001 02:19:48,830 --> 02:19:46,080 will be in the live chat or you know 3002 02:19:51,290 --> 02:19:48,840 what um no that might be sorry Friday 3003 02:19:53,650 --> 02:19:51,300 night so tomorrow 4 P.M we have the 3004 02:19:58,010 --> 02:19:53,660 debut of the truth Seeker short Friday 3005 02:20:00,110 --> 02:19:58,020 at 10 p.m we have the debut of this 3006 02:20:02,330 --> 02:20:00,120 piece which is a great conversation 3007 02:20:05,990 --> 02:20:02,340 between me and Ryan Gable of the secret 3008 02:20:08,030 --> 02:20:06,000 teachings about all the dirt on UFOs if 3009 02:20:09,889 --> 02:20:08,040 you want to know the inside baseball of 3010 02:20:12,410 --> 02:20:09,899 how this some of these scams and 3011 02:20:14,630 --> 02:20:12,420 scammers really operate this will be a 3012 02:20:16,490 --> 02:20:14,640 great show for you the real dirt on UFOs 3013 02:20:19,130 --> 02:20:16,500 with Ryan Gable and Stephen Camby and 3014 02:20:21,710 --> 02:20:19,140 that will be Friday night at 10 p.m so 3015 02:20:24,170 --> 02:20:21,720 we've got tomorrow a Premiere 4 P.M 3016 02:20:26,270 --> 02:20:24,180 that's a just a true Seeker short though 3017 02:20:30,230 --> 02:20:26,280 I think it's only uh 15 or 20 minutes 3018 02:20:32,810 --> 02:20:30,240 this one is one hour uh special event 3019 02:20:35,510 --> 02:20:32,820 broadcast the real dirt on UFOs Friday 3020 02:20:38,270 --> 02:20:35,520 10 p.m Eastern and then Saturday at 10 3021 02:20:41,349 --> 02:20:38,280 pm Eastern the debut of a new music 3022 02:20:45,050 --> 02:20:41,359 album from me and uh 3023 02:20:47,090 --> 02:20:45,060 I am glad to bring all of this uh sort 3024 02:20:50,030 --> 02:20:47,100 of like extra content to you this week 3025 02:20:52,070 --> 02:20:50,040 the reason that I wanted to take the 3026 02:20:54,110 --> 02:20:52,080 time off of some of the live shows is so 3027 02:20:57,050 --> 02:20:54,120 that I could spend more time doing some 3028 02:20:58,210 --> 02:20:57,060 of these produced works and 3029 02:21:01,790 --> 02:20:58,220 um you know 3030 02:21:04,969 --> 02:21:01,800 bringing music forward and and I have 3031 02:21:07,070 --> 02:21:04,979 some uh video editing projects that 3032 02:21:09,349 --> 02:21:07,080 we're slowly working on including two 3033 02:21:13,130 --> 02:21:09,359 new free documentaries they'll be posted 3034 02:21:15,170 --> 02:21:13,140 here they're uh I think they're going to 3035 02:21:16,670 --> 02:21:15,180 be very very good and that is part of 3036 02:21:18,950 --> 02:21:16,680 what we consider a public service 3037 02:21:21,889 --> 02:21:18,960 because these are two documentaries that 3038 02:21:24,889 --> 02:21:21,899 I don't think anybody else would make so 3039 02:21:26,389 --> 02:21:24,899 in order to practice my filmmaking and 3040 02:21:29,570 --> 02:21:26,399 video editing skills we're going to 3041 02:21:32,150 --> 02:21:29,580 produce these two more video uh 3042 02:21:34,490 --> 02:21:32,160 two more documentaries they'll be posted 3043 02:21:36,889 --> 02:21:34,500 here for free right on our Channel soon 3044 02:21:38,510 --> 02:21:36,899 and um after that we're going to 3045 02:21:40,670 --> 02:21:38,520 streaming services with my next 3046 02:21:42,650 --> 02:21:40,680 documentary so I've got two more to do 3047 02:21:50,929 --> 02:21:42,660 for 3048 02:21:53,809 --> 02:21:50,939 and after that I've got a larger project 3049 02:21:54,410 --> 02:21:53,819 that we're already 3050 02:21:58,309 --> 02:21:54,420 um 3051 02:22:00,530 --> 02:21:58,319 sort of uh signed and we're we're good 3052 02:22:03,050 --> 02:22:00,540 to go on the larger project so lots 3053 02:22:04,190 --> 02:22:03,060 going on here questions or comments for 3054 02:22:07,190 --> 02:22:04,200 me please put them in all capital 3055 02:22:09,889 --> 02:22:07,200 letters will there be a Trixie all over 3056 02:22:11,630 --> 02:22:09,899 pre-dink fans shirt merch available yeah 3057 02:22:14,030 --> 02:22:11,640 we're gonna make a Trixie shirt because 3058 02:22:15,710 --> 02:22:14,040 so many people has have asked for one 3059 02:22:17,870 --> 02:22:15,720 right 3060 02:22:20,750 --> 02:22:17,880 anything special for Roswell this year 3061 02:22:23,630 --> 02:22:20,760 well we could rebroadcast the what do we 3062 02:22:25,730 --> 02:22:23,640 have 16 hours I think of of Roswell 3063 02:22:27,950 --> 02:22:25,740 coverage we put that all together for 3064 02:22:29,870 --> 02:22:27,960 the 75th Anniversary we could 3065 02:22:32,090 --> 02:22:29,880 rebroadcast it where I could try to 3066 02:22:34,070 --> 02:22:32,100 interview somebody new I would like to 3067 02:22:36,349 --> 02:22:34,080 interview Nick Redfern and hear his take 3068 02:22:38,510 --> 02:22:36,359 because he has kind of a unique take on 3069 02:22:40,969 --> 02:22:38,520 what may have happened at Roswell and he 3070 02:22:42,650 --> 02:22:40,979 was the only person that did not get I 3071 02:22:46,150 --> 02:22:42,660 didn't get to interview for a Roswell 3072 02:22:50,510 --> 02:22:46,160 75th Anniversary Special right 3073 02:22:53,690 --> 02:22:50,520 uh flares is a hoax what is next the 3074 02:22:56,330 --> 02:22:53,700 birds are not real I I I I meant the 3075 02:22:58,250 --> 02:22:56,340 Hope yeah that is a little that is a 3076 02:23:00,889 --> 02:22:58,260 little strange wording 3077 02:23:03,110 --> 02:23:00,899 flare hoax well it was flares and it was 3078 02:23:05,530 --> 02:23:03,120 a hoax 3079 02:23:07,969 --> 02:23:05,540 uh yeah 3080 02:23:09,830 --> 02:23:07,979 so questions or comments for me please 3081 02:23:12,230 --> 02:23:09,840 put them in all capital letters uh will 3082 02:23:14,750 --> 02:23:12,240 you do a show on early UFO grifters like 3083 02:23:17,630 --> 02:23:14,760 and shark command we have done a show on 3084 02:23:23,330 --> 02:23:17,640 some early uh contactees including 3085 02:23:25,670 --> 02:23:23,340 Howard Menger and adamski and also uh 3086 02:23:29,450 --> 02:23:25,680 I always forget his name the guy from 3087 02:23:32,870 --> 02:23:29,460 the integraton and and big boulder 3088 02:23:35,990 --> 02:23:32,880 um we have done shows on that and we 3089 02:23:38,870 --> 02:23:36,000 will be uh doing future shows on some of 3090 02:23:40,309 --> 02:23:38,880 the early contacting movement I'm kind 3091 02:23:41,929 --> 02:23:40,319 of fascinated from a psychological 3092 02:23:44,630 --> 02:23:41,939 perspective of these people that were 3093 02:23:47,030 --> 02:23:44,640 like you know hanging out with people 3094 02:23:49,309 --> 02:23:47,040 from Venus before everybody knew that 3095 02:23:53,570 --> 02:23:49,319 you can't live on Venus or hanging out 3096 02:23:55,130 --> 02:23:53,580 from people uh from Saturn before people 3097 02:23:57,250 --> 02:23:55,140 knew you couldn't live on there's no 3098 02:23:59,330 --> 02:23:57,260 it's not habitable you know 3099 02:24:02,570 --> 02:23:59,340 and then it's funny that some of them 3100 02:24:05,450 --> 02:24:02,580 including edamsky's uh people change the 3101 02:24:07,849 --> 02:24:05,460 story later you know 3102 02:24:09,230 --> 02:24:07,859 okay question from Amy Collins do you 3103 02:24:10,969 --> 02:24:09,240 think that after all the Whistleblower 3104 02:24:12,349 --> 02:24:10,979 stories fall into nothing that it will 3105 02:24:14,630 --> 02:24:12,359 make the USA look like a national 3106 02:24:18,710 --> 02:24:14,640 embarrassment not good for anyone media 3107 02:24:22,130 --> 02:24:18,720 DOD IC legal system Etc well 3108 02:24:24,830 --> 02:24:22,140 um I I I'm on the fence on this Amy 3109 02:24:26,870 --> 02:24:24,840 Collins I'm 50 50. part of me was 3110 02:24:28,730 --> 02:24:26,880 thinking recently if all these 3111 02:24:30,950 --> 02:24:28,740 whistleblowers come forward and it's All 3112 02:24:33,349 --> 02:24:30,960 or Nothing Burger aren't people gonna 3113 02:24:35,570 --> 02:24:33,359 have to just admit but there's there's 3114 02:24:40,309 --> 02:24:35,580 really not much to this 3115 02:24:42,590 --> 02:24:40,319 and then I see the Rabid fan base that 3116 02:24:45,710 --> 02:24:42,600 once so desperately for all this to be 3117 02:24:47,809 --> 02:24:45,720 true that I think I think there will be 3118 02:24:49,790 --> 02:24:47,819 a lull at the very least 3119 02:24:52,010 --> 02:24:49,800 if all these whistleblowers come out and 3120 02:24:54,230 --> 02:24:52,020 we don't get any Smoking Gun evidence or 3121 02:24:57,230 --> 02:24:54,240 proof of their claims 3122 02:24:59,030 --> 02:24:57,240 I think that 3123 02:25:00,710 --> 02:24:59,040 people coming out with stories is going 3124 02:25:02,809 --> 02:25:00,720 to slow down dramatically because people 3125 02:25:04,670 --> 02:25:02,819 are going to Tire of this it's like Cry 3126 02:25:06,710 --> 02:25:04,680 Wolf Cry Wolf Cry Wolf they're all 3127 02:25:09,410 --> 02:25:06,720 crying alien crying alien crying alien 3128 02:25:11,030 --> 02:25:09,420 crying alien will show us the alien and 3129 02:25:12,650 --> 02:25:11,040 they don't and they can't and they never 3130 02:25:14,510 --> 02:25:12,660 do so 3131 02:25:16,370 --> 02:25:14,520 I think that 3132 02:25:18,469 --> 02:25:16,380 these 3133 02:25:19,910 --> 02:25:18,479 people crying early and people are going 3134 02:25:22,429 --> 02:25:19,920 to Tire of that 3135 02:25:24,910 --> 02:25:22,439 and then I think that maybe there'll be 3136 02:25:27,710 --> 02:25:24,920 a little bit of an increase in people 3137 02:25:29,870 --> 02:25:27,720 demanding evidence I think we should 3138 02:25:31,610 --> 02:25:29,880 when people are making absolutely out of 3139 02:25:33,650 --> 02:25:31,620 this world Fantastical claims we should 3140 02:25:37,190 --> 02:25:33,660 demand evidence of their claims and not 3141 02:25:40,309 --> 02:25:37,200 just blindly accept uh Van Tassel is the 3142 02:25:45,050 --> 02:25:40,319 person yes uh Mr Van Tassel is the 3143 02:25:49,610 --> 02:25:46,849 what are your thoughts on Michael frat 3144 02:25:53,210 --> 02:25:49,620 that's probably a big question to ask me 3145 02:25:55,730 --> 02:25:53,220 right now you know I I like Michael as a 3146 02:25:58,130 --> 02:25:55,740 person very much I'm very fond of him I 3147 02:26:00,110 --> 02:25:58,140 think he's uh like a good person but I 3148 02:26:02,090 --> 02:26:00,120 think Michael is very very 3149 02:26:04,969 --> 02:26:02,100 I don't want to say gullible that seems 3150 02:26:06,590 --> 02:26:04,979 like an insult Michael uh really like 3151 02:26:08,630 --> 02:26:06,600 many people 3152 02:26:11,270 --> 02:26:08,640 he really wants to believe it's all true 3153 02:26:13,370 --> 02:26:11,280 and 3154 02:26:17,510 --> 02:26:13,380 I think that that 3155 02:26:18,889 --> 02:26:17,520 has sort of uh misinformed him and and I 3156 02:26:20,150 --> 02:26:18,899 also think that 3157 02:26:23,330 --> 02:26:20,160 you know 3158 02:26:26,210 --> 02:26:23,340 going to work for Dr Steven Greer is is 3159 02:26:28,309 --> 02:26:26,220 a real problem for me 3160 02:26:30,710 --> 02:26:28,319 um because essentially Michael schrat 3161 02:26:34,190 --> 02:26:30,720 will be working for Mr Greer helping Mr 3162 02:26:36,710 --> 02:26:34,200 Greer sell his garbage fairy tales 3163 02:26:38,690 --> 02:26:36,720 and to be very honest I thought better 3164 02:26:40,730 --> 02:26:38,700 of Michael I haven't spoken to him 3165 02:26:44,389 --> 02:26:40,740 eventually I hope that we'll have that 3166 02:26:46,190 --> 02:26:44,399 conversation and that you know I intend 3167 02:26:48,770 --> 02:26:46,200 to put my cards on the table with him in 3168 02:26:52,250 --> 02:26:48,780 a polite and kind and respectful way 3169 02:26:53,270 --> 02:26:52,260 and uh and I hope that you know it 3170 02:26:54,110 --> 02:26:53,280 wouldn't 3171 02:26:56,929 --> 02:26:54,120 um 3172 02:27:00,770 --> 02:26:56,939 it wouldn't affect our uh relationship 3173 02:27:03,950 --> 02:27:00,780 or friendship I think Michael is a he is 3174 02:27:06,650 --> 02:27:03,960 like a walking Encyclopedia of UFO lure 3175 02:27:10,670 --> 02:27:06,660 mythology and history he's incredibly 3176 02:27:13,790 --> 02:27:10,680 talented incredibly intelligent but I 3177 02:27:15,650 --> 02:27:13,800 think that he's easily LED astray and I 3178 02:27:18,050 --> 02:27:15,660 was reminded that this is not the first 3179 02:27:20,570 --> 02:27:18,060 time that Michael has really gotten 3180 02:27:23,510 --> 02:27:20,580 behind garbage pedaling because Michael 3181 02:27:25,730 --> 02:27:23,520 spent a lot of time working with and on 3182 02:27:28,510 --> 02:27:25,740 the case of Dan Burris he did all these 3183 02:27:31,490 --> 02:27:28,520 illustrations of the so-called alien 3184 02:27:34,490 --> 02:27:31,500 bases and the j-rod and all that was all 3185 02:27:37,130 --> 02:27:34,500 Michael schrat so 3186 02:27:39,590 --> 02:27:37,140 I tend to think about Michael when it 3187 02:27:41,510 --> 02:27:39,600 comes to his research into black budget 3188 02:27:43,910 --> 02:27:41,520 projects which is much more grounded in 3189 02:27:45,710 --> 02:27:43,920 reality but when it comes to the alien 3190 02:27:48,230 --> 02:27:45,720 stuff you know 3191 02:27:49,910 --> 02:27:48,240 I think Michael goes way out on a limb 3192 02:27:51,950 --> 02:27:49,920 and I also think 3193 02:27:54,710 --> 02:27:51,960 that Michael confuses having 3194 02:27:56,570 --> 02:27:54,720 illustrations made with evidence you 3195 02:27:58,910 --> 02:27:56,580 know pretty a pretty picture is just 3196 02:28:01,370 --> 02:27:58,920 that and by the way Michael schrat has 3197 02:28:02,750 --> 02:28:01,380 incredible illustrations of everything 3198 02:28:04,670 --> 02:28:02,760 he talks about if you ever see a 3199 02:28:08,150 --> 02:28:04,680 presentation of his it's always got the 3200 02:28:10,849 --> 02:28:08,160 best drawings and sketches and material 3201 02:28:13,610 --> 02:28:10,859 and visual aids but that's still not 3202 02:28:16,490 --> 02:28:13,620 evidence so that's how I feel about 3203 02:28:18,170 --> 02:28:16,500 Michael I wish him the best I keep him 3204 02:28:20,210 --> 02:28:18,180 in my thoughts and prayers especially 3205 02:28:22,010 --> 02:28:20,220 now that I think he's going into a 3206 02:28:26,090 --> 02:28:22,020 lion's den of 3207 02:28:27,710 --> 02:28:26,100 inequity right now I think that he is uh 3208 02:28:29,929 --> 02:28:27,720 you know 3209 02:28:31,610 --> 02:28:29,939 I worry I worry about him but let's 3210 02:28:33,770 --> 02:28:31,620 leave it that I worry about him in his 3211 02:28:35,929 --> 02:28:33,780 present course you know and I'm hopeful 3212 02:28:39,110 --> 02:28:35,939 that he and I will have a conversation 3213 02:28:41,690 --> 02:28:39,120 soon and clear the air because I you 3214 02:28:43,429 --> 02:28:41,700 know I like him I he's I consider him a 3215 02:28:46,370 --> 02:28:43,439 friend 3216 02:28:48,050 --> 02:28:46,380 um they never will yeah I think that the 3217 02:28:50,170 --> 02:28:48,060 drift will go on after these 3218 02:28:52,730 --> 02:28:50,180 whistleblowers I think there'll be a a 3219 02:28:54,230 --> 02:28:52,740 lull in activity if all these 3220 02:28:56,570 --> 02:28:54,240 whistleblowers come forward and it's All 3221 02:28:59,090 --> 02:28:56,580 or Nothing Burger there will be a big 3222 02:29:01,849 --> 02:28:59,100 lull in activity 3223 02:29:03,590 --> 02:29:01,859 things are at such a fever pitch right 3224 02:29:05,990 --> 02:29:03,600 now in the UFO Community Las Vegas 3225 02:29:07,730 --> 02:29:06,000 Greer's DC event and the David Crush 3226 02:29:10,070 --> 02:29:07,740 interview all within a few days of each 3227 02:29:13,550 --> 02:29:10,080 other people are losing their minds yeah 3228 02:29:15,290 --> 02:29:13,560 I agree with you Jacques uh the Malay uh 3229 02:29:17,030 --> 02:29:15,300 people the the believer side especially 3230 02:29:20,330 --> 02:29:17,040 they're they're like oh it's all real 3231 02:29:23,090 --> 02:29:20,340 see we told you and no it's not you know 3232 02:29:24,950 --> 02:29:23,100 the Greer conference I think was the 3233 02:29:27,290 --> 02:29:24,960 biggest joke of it and quite honestly 3234 02:29:29,270 --> 02:29:27,300 yeah let's address that Las Vegas Story 3235 02:29:31,010 --> 02:29:29,280 look at all the people selling that Las 3236 02:29:32,270 --> 02:29:31,020 Vegas story did you notice I didn't 3237 02:29:36,349 --> 02:29:32,280 cover that 3238 02:29:38,809 --> 02:29:36,359 story and that is because I firmly 3239 02:29:40,070 --> 02:29:38,819 believe that that whole story is a hoax 3240 02:29:42,110 --> 02:29:40,080 and 3241 02:29:43,730 --> 02:29:42,120 um I decided for once that I was going 3242 02:29:45,889 --> 02:29:43,740 to sit the hoax out I wasn't going to 3243 02:29:47,750 --> 02:29:45,899 cover every aspect of the hoax the whole 3244 02:29:50,330 --> 02:29:47,760 time and there was other more important 3245 02:29:53,090 --> 02:29:50,340 pressing matters to deal with I thought 3246 02:29:55,070 --> 02:29:53,100 I'm gonna sit on the sidelines and watch 3247 02:29:57,889 --> 02:29:55,080 what happens with this and exactly what 3248 02:30:00,170 --> 02:29:57,899 I thought would happen happen in fact I 3249 02:30:02,830 --> 02:30:00,180 uh wrote a short piece on it maybe I'll 3250 02:30:06,889 --> 02:30:02,840 put it on patreon in the member section 3251 02:30:08,889 --> 02:30:06,899 which essentially says that when 3252 02:30:11,809 --> 02:30:08,899 when a hoax comes along 3253 02:30:13,849 --> 02:30:11,819 people that cover these things have two 3254 02:30:16,790 --> 02:30:13,859 choices they could either cover it 3255 02:30:19,250 --> 02:30:16,800 honestly and get very little views or 3256 02:30:21,290 --> 02:30:19,260 they can cover it sensationally like it 3257 02:30:23,630 --> 02:30:21,300 might be true or it might be real 3258 02:30:25,429 --> 02:30:23,640 and we can see who the bottom feeding 3259 02:30:27,770 --> 02:30:25,439 slime ball dirt balls are that are 3260 02:30:30,950 --> 02:30:27,780 pushing that story as true and click 3261 02:30:32,929 --> 02:30:30,960 baiting all the everybody to to you know 3262 02:30:36,349 --> 02:30:32,939 click on their video about it or 3263 02:30:38,750 --> 02:30:36,359 whatever or their show about it and uh 3264 02:30:41,270 --> 02:30:38,760 I I just find it interesting that the 3265 02:30:43,429 --> 02:30:41,280 the people that you would suspect are 3266 02:30:45,710 --> 02:30:43,439 selling garbage the garbage Peddlers are 3267 02:30:47,990 --> 02:30:45,720 loving that story right who cares if 3268 02:30:49,610 --> 02:30:48,000 it's fake as long as people tune in who 3269 02:30:52,630 --> 02:30:49,620 cares if it's fake as long as I make 3270 02:30:54,530 --> 02:30:52,640 some money out of it too and what what 3271 02:30:58,429 --> 02:30:54,540 opportunists right 3272 02:31:01,010 --> 02:30:58,439 I I just decided to sit that one out I 3273 02:31:03,230 --> 02:31:01,020 say give it two more weeks and uh last I 3274 02:31:05,690 --> 02:31:03,240 heard that family went silent and they 3275 02:31:08,030 --> 02:31:05,700 weren't responding to any questions or 3276 02:31:10,550 --> 02:31:08,040 requests for anything I think the story 3277 02:31:12,830 --> 02:31:10,560 is a hoax and 3278 02:31:16,250 --> 02:31:12,840 um anybody who is selling it as anything 3279 02:31:18,710 --> 02:31:16,260 other than that is a bottom feeding 3280 02:31:21,590 --> 02:31:18,720 garbage pedaling scumbag 3281 02:31:22,969 --> 02:31:21,600 but you know that's that's the way I 3282 02:31:24,889 --> 02:31:22,979 feel about it and there's lots of people 3283 02:31:27,950 --> 02:31:24,899 there's people that make made two or 3284 02:31:29,870 --> 02:31:27,960 three shows about that already right 3285 02:31:32,210 --> 02:31:29,880 if it were true do you really think the 3286 02:31:34,070 --> 02:31:32,220 government would admit it no I think if 3287 02:31:36,469 --> 02:31:34,080 it is true the government will be forced 3288 02:31:37,550 --> 02:31:36,479 to admit it at some Tipping Point and I 3289 02:31:40,070 --> 02:31:37,560 don't think we're anywhere near that 3290 02:31:41,510 --> 02:31:40,080 Tipping Point despite Stephen Bassett 3291 02:31:43,790 --> 02:31:41,520 saying that he's going to be popping 3292 02:31:46,969 --> 02:31:43,800 champagne and celebrating disclosure a 3293 02:31:49,730 --> 02:31:46,979 few weeks ago right what do you make of 3294 02:31:52,130 --> 02:31:49,740 uh Cal course ufology cartoon show will 3295 02:31:53,690 --> 02:31:52,140 you have them on someday soon yeah I 3296 02:31:55,010 --> 02:31:53,700 don't know he asked me I have to get 3297 02:31:56,929 --> 02:31:55,020 back to him actually thanks for 3298 02:31:59,270 --> 02:31:56,939 reminding me 3299 02:32:00,889 --> 02:31:59,280 um I I don't know it's it's confusing 3300 02:32:03,410 --> 02:32:00,899 like I'm not quite sure what he's doing 3301 02:32:05,030 --> 02:32:03,420 there uh and and he has to explain it to 3302 02:32:06,530 --> 02:32:05,040 me better 3303 02:32:07,969 --> 02:32:06,540 when was the last time the government 3304 02:32:10,429 --> 02:32:07,979 has admitting to something of this 3305 02:32:11,750 --> 02:32:10,439 magnitude or even close to it I don't 3306 02:32:14,030 --> 02:32:11,760 know I think the weapons of mass 3307 02:32:16,010 --> 02:32:14,040 destruction and the Snowden Revelations 3308 02:32:18,230 --> 02:32:16,020 were the last two clues that our 3309 02:32:19,550 --> 02:32:18,240 government lies to us constantly 3310 02:32:21,950 --> 02:32:19,560 so 3311 02:32:24,349 --> 02:32:21,960 um yeah I agree with you that they they 3312 02:32:25,849 --> 02:32:24,359 likely won't they will not admit 3313 02:32:27,050 --> 02:32:25,859 anything unless they are absolutely 3314 02:32:29,870 --> 02:32:27,060 forced to 3315 02:32:33,349 --> 02:32:29,880 who is the most annoying new star in the 3316 02:32:35,270 --> 02:32:33,359 UFO Community oh it's a tough one 3317 02:32:38,929 --> 02:32:35,280 I don't know I you know I try not to 3318 02:32:40,910 --> 02:32:38,939 focus on the negative but I just I I 3319 02:32:43,130 --> 02:32:40,920 quite honestly shake my head and am 3320 02:32:45,950 --> 02:32:43,140 discussed it by so many garbage Peddlers 3321 02:32:47,929 --> 02:32:45,960 that are out there there's you know a 3322 02:32:50,389 --> 02:32:47,939 lot of these old-time grifter scammers 3323 02:32:52,910 --> 02:32:50,399 like Linda Moulton Hal and and some of 3324 02:32:55,969 --> 02:32:52,920 these others Richard Hoagland and 3325 02:32:59,150 --> 02:32:55,979 they're going to be retiring or dying 3326 02:33:01,190 --> 02:32:59,160 soon right and I remember thinking well 3327 02:33:02,929 --> 02:33:01,200 these people a lot of these grifters are 3328 02:33:05,270 --> 02:33:02,939 going to be gone soon so hopefully we'll 3329 02:33:07,670 --> 02:33:05,280 get a new batch of more serious 3330 02:33:09,830 --> 02:33:07,680 researchers who really care about the 3331 02:33:11,570 --> 02:33:09,840 truth and investigating Mysteries and 3332 02:33:13,610 --> 02:33:11,580 not just selling the story 3333 02:33:16,010 --> 02:33:13,620 but it seems to me that if you look 3334 02:33:18,889 --> 02:33:16,020 around there's a whole lot of new young 3335 02:33:21,469 --> 02:33:18,899 faces that are all just begging to be 3336 02:33:25,550 --> 02:33:21,479 the next Linda Moulton Howe or Richard 3337 02:33:28,849 --> 02:33:25,560 Hoagland or Corey goodeven right and uh 3338 02:33:32,150 --> 02:33:28,859 they can't wait to get to get famous and 3339 02:33:34,250 --> 02:33:32,160 make lots of money selling garbage and 3340 02:33:35,990 --> 02:33:34,260 that's very very discouraging I hoped 3341 02:33:37,190 --> 02:33:36,000 for better to come from the younger 3342 02:33:39,410 --> 02:33:37,200 generation 3343 02:33:42,050 --> 02:33:39,420 but what we're seeing is 3344 02:33:44,450 --> 02:33:42,060 um that the grift goes on but thank you 3345 02:33:46,610 --> 02:33:44,460 for the question 3346 02:33:50,090 --> 02:33:46,620 what's the best drop that evidence of 3347 02:33:51,770 --> 02:33:50,100 ETS right now in your opinion well 3348 02:33:54,710 --> 02:33:51,780 I don't think we the problem is we don't 3349 02:33:56,750 --> 02:33:54,720 have drop dead evidence of ETS right now 3350 02:33:58,730 --> 02:33:56,760 what we do have is a lot of tantalizing 3351 02:34:01,969 --> 02:33:58,740 maybe evidence tantalizing may be proof 3352 02:34:04,190 --> 02:34:01,979 there's a lot of weirdness with uh NASA 3353 02:34:07,309 --> 02:34:04,200 UFOs and things that appears that 3354 02:34:09,650 --> 02:34:07,319 they're trying to uh you know play down 3355 02:34:11,630 --> 02:34:09,660 or explain away as ice crystals that 3356 02:34:13,490 --> 02:34:11,640 Darcy weird documentary was very good in 3357 02:34:16,309 --> 02:34:13,500 documenting that but it's not dropped 3358 02:34:17,090 --> 02:34:16,319 that evidence but it is compelling 3359 02:34:18,530 --> 02:34:17,100 um 3360 02:34:21,830 --> 02:34:18,540 I don't think we have dropped that 3361 02:34:25,610 --> 02:34:21,840 evidence and that is the problem right 3362 02:34:28,070 --> 02:34:25,620 yeah uh this may be your first clue that 3363 02:34:31,130 --> 02:34:28,080 this story out of Las Vegas is a hoax 3364 02:34:32,870 --> 02:34:31,140 and is fake Las Vegas kids sells alien 3365 02:34:36,889 --> 02:34:32,880 nfts 3366 02:34:39,650 --> 02:34:36,899 yeah and he also had an Alien named or 3367 02:34:42,110 --> 02:34:39,660 themed YouTube channel before he claimed 3368 02:34:44,330 --> 02:34:42,120 that he saw aliens and remember 3369 02:34:46,730 --> 02:34:44,340 there was a meteorite at the exact time 3370 02:34:49,370 --> 02:34:46,740 and and place that it was supposed to be 3371 02:34:51,710 --> 02:34:49,380 a spaceship or a UFO 3372 02:34:55,130 --> 02:34:51,720 that's her second clue that this is not 3373 02:34:57,830 --> 02:34:55,140 what people are pretending it is right 3374 02:35:00,349 --> 02:34:57,840 UFO Reddit lost its Mind Over the Las 3375 02:35:02,570 --> 02:35:00,359 Vegas hoax it was shameful 3376 02:35:04,309 --> 02:35:02,580 yeah I don't keep track of Reddit 3377 02:35:06,410 --> 02:35:04,319 um I I occasionally read some Reddit 3378 02:35:10,790 --> 02:35:06,420 posts but I don't participate there 3379 02:35:13,130 --> 02:35:10,800 because those people are like 3380 02:35:15,290 --> 02:35:13,140 there's a lot of censorship like 3381 02:35:18,710 --> 02:35:15,300 let's say for example some there was a 3382 02:35:19,969 --> 02:35:18,720 thread on on UFO Reddit about David 3383 02:35:22,130 --> 02:35:19,979 grush 3384 02:35:25,130 --> 02:35:22,140 and I saw the thread and I'm reading the 3385 02:35:27,530 --> 02:35:25,140 thread if I replied and posted my show 3386 02:35:29,150 --> 02:35:27,540 about the 10 red flags about David rush 3387 02:35:31,730 --> 02:35:29,160 they deleted and they say that's 3388 02:35:34,070 --> 02:35:31,740 self-promotion don't you think that 3389 02:35:36,050 --> 02:35:34,080 maybe this is relevant to this thread 3390 02:35:37,730 --> 02:35:36,060 and if people want more information they 3391 02:35:39,349 --> 02:35:37,740 should be able to go to my channel and 3392 02:35:42,469 --> 02:35:39,359 get it nope 3393 02:35:45,290 --> 02:35:42,479 it's like it's carefully curated over 3394 02:35:47,990 --> 02:35:45,300 there and and it's 3395 02:35:49,670 --> 02:35:48,000 it's disappointing to me because you 3396 02:35:52,429 --> 02:35:49,680 know some of those threads have so many 3397 02:35:54,230 --> 02:35:52,439 thousands of people reading them that it 3398 02:35:56,630 --> 02:35:54,240 would really be great to be able to and 3399 02:35:58,370 --> 02:35:56,640 by the way I don't spam anybody but it 3400 02:36:00,050 --> 02:35:58,380 would be great to be able to say hey if 3401 02:36:02,570 --> 02:36:00,060 you're interested in this Brian grush 3402 02:36:04,610 --> 02:36:02,580 story here's 10 red flags that 3403 02:36:06,710 --> 02:36:04,620 I did a video about 3404 02:36:08,750 --> 02:36:06,720 and and you can check it out they won't 3405 02:36:10,429 --> 02:36:08,760 let me I'm not allowed to post over 3406 02:36:12,889 --> 02:36:10,439 there every time I post somebody deletes 3407 02:36:15,410 --> 02:36:12,899 it and I get some nasty message that my 3408 02:36:17,450 --> 02:36:15,420 my post went against 3409 02:36:19,670 --> 02:36:17,460 the rules of self you know I'm 3410 02:36:20,330 --> 02:36:19,680 self-promoting or so no 3411 02:36:22,010 --> 02:36:20,340 um 3412 02:36:24,410 --> 02:36:22,020 so I haven't paid attention over there 3413 02:36:29,570 --> 02:36:24,420 but it's interesting right nfts are a 3414 02:36:33,050 --> 02:36:31,070 because you found you right now more 3415 02:36:36,950 --> 02:36:33,060 like whistle throwers and remote chewing 3416 02:36:40,190 --> 02:36:36,960 yeah I I think you're right 3417 02:36:42,710 --> 02:36:40,200 and I think it's funny though that like 3418 02:36:44,870 --> 02:36:42,720 I always say like that some of these 3419 02:36:46,610 --> 02:36:44,880 people it appears that a lot of people 3420 02:36:47,870 --> 02:36:46,620 in the UFO Community if they had an 3421 02:36:50,750 --> 02:36:47,880 original thought it would die of 3422 02:36:53,510 --> 02:36:50,760 loneliness right like 3423 02:36:55,969 --> 02:36:53,520 here we go like 3424 02:36:58,849 --> 02:36:55,979 Okay so 3425 02:37:01,250 --> 02:36:58,859 it's people are getting lots of views 3426 02:37:03,110 --> 02:37:01,260 and traction saying they have 3427 02:37:04,610 --> 02:37:03,120 whistleblowers or or talking about 3428 02:37:07,370 --> 02:37:04,620 whistleblowers or interviewing 3429 02:37:09,530 --> 02:37:07,380 whistleblowers or and now everything is 3430 02:37:10,969 --> 02:37:09,540 whistleblower now oh there's gonna be a 3431 02:37:11,990 --> 02:37:10,979 whistleblower every week and this 3432 02:37:13,309 --> 02:37:12,000 person's coming out with new 3433 02:37:14,990 --> 02:37:13,319 whistleblowers and I'm gonna have a 3434 02:37:16,670 --> 02:37:15,000 whistleblower on my show and you get a 3435 02:37:18,410 --> 02:37:16,680 whistleblower and Greer's got his 3436 02:37:19,550 --> 02:37:18,420 whistleblowers and Brian grush is a 3437 02:37:21,410 --> 02:37:19,560 whistleblower and there's gonna be more 3438 02:37:23,389 --> 02:37:21,420 whistleblowers coming through Brian 3439 02:37:25,969 --> 02:37:23,399 grush there also whistle everything's 3440 02:37:29,270 --> 02:37:25,979 whistleblower now 3441 02:37:35,270 --> 02:37:32,210 I think that says a lot about the fact 3442 02:37:37,849 --> 02:37:35,280 that this is all this is 3443 02:37:40,429 --> 02:37:37,859 this topic is largely infested with 3444 02:37:42,050 --> 02:37:40,439 clickbait garbage Peddlers who are just 3445 02:37:45,469 --> 02:37:42,060 gonna do whatever they see other people 3446 02:37:47,750 --> 02:37:45,479 doing getting views right 3447 02:37:51,590 --> 02:37:47,760 do you agree that midwest's explanation 3448 02:37:53,710 --> 02:37:51,600 of the Nimitz incident uh yeah I I 3449 02:37:56,809 --> 02:37:53,720 believe that I do what did the pilot see 3450 02:37:58,610 --> 02:37:56,819 ours hallucinogen or something else uh 3451 02:38:00,230 --> 02:37:58,620 you know I think it was whatever it was 3452 02:38:03,590 --> 02:38:00,240 it wasn't 3453 02:38:05,750 --> 02:38:03,600 wasn't aliens 3454 02:38:08,210 --> 02:38:05,760 that's what I'm sure of 3455 02:38:10,010 --> 02:38:08,220 um you know we we got lied to because 3456 02:38:12,349 --> 02:38:10,020 all these people say things like these 3457 02:38:14,570 --> 02:38:12,359 things defied the laws of physics and 3458 02:38:18,230 --> 02:38:14,580 then after careful analysis you go no 3459 02:38:20,270 --> 02:38:18,240 they didn't you know it's like I said a 3460 02:38:23,389 --> 02:38:20,280 lot of this stuff is a carefully 3461 02:38:26,750 --> 02:38:23,399 constructed illusion of something that 3462 02:38:28,790 --> 02:38:26,760 it's not right and uh it's kind of like 3463 02:38:30,770 --> 02:38:28,800 the go fast is another perfect example 3464 02:38:32,210 --> 02:38:30,780 remember oh this thing's poking this 3465 02:38:34,910 --> 02:38:32,220 thing's going 3466 02:38:37,429 --> 02:38:34,920 huge fast speeds and then we find out it 3467 02:38:39,170 --> 02:38:37,439 was going 40 miles an hour and what the 3468 02:38:41,210 --> 02:38:39,180 hell Lou Alexander is supposed to be a 3469 02:38:44,270 --> 02:38:41,220 UFO expert right he was the director 3470 02:38:45,830 --> 02:38:44,280 after all of a pentagon UFO program of 3471 02:38:49,190 --> 02:38:45,840 course we then find out that that 3472 02:38:51,309 --> 02:38:49,200 Pentagon UFO program was imaginary and 3473 02:38:54,830 --> 02:38:51,319 unfunded and not secret 3474 02:38:57,770 --> 02:38:54,840 uh but he still you know completely 3475 02:39:00,290 --> 02:38:57,780 screwed the pooch on that go fast video 3476 02:39:01,370 --> 02:39:00,300 claiming it was it was going fast when 3477 02:39:02,929 --> 02:39:01,380 it wasn't 3478 02:39:07,550 --> 02:39:02,939 so 3479 02:39:11,389 --> 02:39:07,560 say these are not just mistakes this 3480 02:39:13,849 --> 02:39:11,399 this was purposefully deceitful to sell 3481 02:39:15,170 --> 02:39:13,859 a story or this was perfect purposefully 3482 02:39:17,389 --> 02:39:15,180 deceitful to get a book deal 3483 02:39:18,370 --> 02:39:17,399 purposefully deceitful to get a TV show 3484 02:39:21,530 --> 02:39:18,380 Deal 3485 02:39:24,290 --> 02:39:21,540 purposefully deceitful to sell 3486 02:39:25,730 --> 02:39:24,300 uh fake paranormal stuff on a television 3487 02:39:27,590 --> 02:39:25,740 show 3488 02:39:30,650 --> 02:39:27,600 um that's how I feel about it I think 3489 02:39:33,650 --> 02:39:30,660 that Mick West is usually very very good 3490 02:39:35,690 --> 02:39:33,660 in most of his work do I agree with 3491 02:39:38,210 --> 02:39:35,700 everything of his probably not but I 3492 02:39:41,090 --> 02:39:38,220 haven't looked at everything of his uh I 3493 02:39:43,670 --> 02:39:41,100 do believe that Mick West is a 3494 02:39:45,530 --> 02:39:43,680 an asset and the fact that he gets 3495 02:39:48,290 --> 02:39:45,540 attacked so much just for showing people 3496 02:39:50,750 --> 02:39:48,300 the truth says everything you need to 3497 02:39:52,550 --> 02:39:50,760 know about this UFO cult-like atmosphere 3498 02:39:54,469 --> 02:39:52,560 that we find ourselves in 3499 02:39:57,950 --> 02:39:54,479 listen 3500 02:40:01,330 --> 02:39:57,960 I get if you believe in aliens I get if 3501 02:40:04,070 --> 02:40:01,340 you believe aliens are uh are 3502 02:40:06,349 --> 02:40:04,080 visiting Earth and have been for many 3503 02:40:08,450 --> 02:40:06,359 years or decades or you know a 3504 02:40:13,190 --> 02:40:08,460 millennium since the donut man whatever 3505 02:40:17,929 --> 02:40:13,200 I get that you believe that but 3506 02:40:20,030 --> 02:40:17,939 if something is being pushed as an alien 3507 02:40:22,250 --> 02:40:20,040 spacecraft visiting Earth and it's 3508 02:40:24,170 --> 02:40:22,260 really a seagull 3509 02:40:25,969 --> 02:40:24,180 don't you want to know that that's not 3510 02:40:28,490 --> 02:40:25,979 an alien spacecraft that's really a 3511 02:40:30,830 --> 02:40:28,500 seagull or don't you want to know 3512 02:40:32,929 --> 02:40:30,840 the truth or do you just want to put 3513 02:40:35,030 --> 02:40:32,939 your blinders on and say no no Mick West 3514 02:40:37,969 --> 02:40:35,040 I don't care about your science and your 3515 02:40:39,889 --> 02:40:37,979 careful physics analysis that proves 3516 02:40:41,990 --> 02:40:39,899 this thing isn't what they said it was I 3517 02:40:44,809 --> 02:40:42,000 think it's aliens it's got to be aliens 3518 02:40:47,090 --> 02:40:44,819 you know it's kind of ridiculous and the 3519 02:40:49,070 --> 02:40:47,100 fact that he is so viciously attacked 3520 02:40:51,230 --> 02:40:49,080 and by the way I know something about 3521 02:40:53,210 --> 02:40:51,240 that do you know how many people send me 3522 02:40:55,550 --> 02:40:53,220 nasty messages every day 3523 02:40:58,429 --> 02:40:55,560 it used to bother me now I read them and 3524 02:41:01,309 --> 02:40:58,439 I laugh it's like it's like uh you know 3525 02:41:03,950 --> 02:41:01,319 I have the critic time every every 3526 02:41:05,870 --> 02:41:03,960 morning you know I get my choice of 3527 02:41:09,770 --> 02:41:05,880 caffeinated beverage and I sit down to 3528 02:41:12,530 --> 02:41:09,780 start work and I open my emails and I go 3529 02:41:16,130 --> 02:41:12,540 look at this idiot look at this dummy 3530 02:41:17,929 --> 02:41:16,140 right and people argue with me over the 3531 02:41:19,969 --> 02:41:17,939 most ridiculous people argued with me 3532 02:41:21,710 --> 02:41:19,979 over Linda Moulton house orange gray 3533 02:41:23,270 --> 02:41:21,720 alien they were sending me nasty 3534 02:41:25,790 --> 02:41:23,280 messages for months 3535 02:41:27,950 --> 02:41:25,800 that's a real picture Stephen yeah what 3536 02:41:30,050 --> 02:41:27,960 do you what else do you want me to do we 3537 02:41:33,110 --> 02:41:30,060 Tracked Down the original artist that 3538 02:41:36,650 --> 02:41:33,120 created those fake images 3539 02:41:38,510 --> 02:41:36,660 in in Brazil we had a translate because 3540 02:41:42,050 --> 02:41:38,520 he didn't speak English we put that 3541 02:41:43,730 --> 02:41:42,060 interview out it took us forever 3542 02:41:45,590 --> 02:41:43,740 um we found the original artist those 3543 02:41:47,510 --> 02:41:45,600 were completely fake pictures if you 3544 02:41:49,370 --> 02:41:47,520 still want to argue with me and be nasty 3545 02:41:50,630 --> 02:41:49,380 to me because you desperately wanted to 3546 02:41:53,030 --> 02:41:50,640 believe those were real pictures of 3547 02:41:54,590 --> 02:41:53,040 aliens I'm I'm not going to apologize 3548 02:41:55,849 --> 02:41:54,600 for telling you the truth and you 3549 02:41:58,250 --> 02:41:55,859 shouldn't have tapped me for telling the 3550 02:41:59,450 --> 02:41:58,260 truth you should probably thank me don't 3551 02:42:00,469 --> 02:41:59,460 you want to know if the pictures are 3552 02:42:04,610 --> 02:42:00,479 fake 3553 02:42:07,730 --> 02:42:04,620 but this is the conundrum that you know 3554 02:42:10,250 --> 02:42:07,740 we're in people get angry when 3555 02:42:12,590 --> 02:42:10,260 when something they desperately wanted 3556 02:42:19,370 --> 02:42:12,600 to believe was true gets revealed is not 3557 02:42:23,270 --> 02:42:21,349 Amy Collins there are people who 3558 02:42:25,010 --> 02:42:23,280 generally do not want to know if 3559 02:42:27,650 --> 02:42:25,020 something is ordinary I find that 3560 02:42:30,410 --> 02:42:27,660 amazing yeah I'm fascinated by that Amy 3561 02:42:32,150 --> 02:42:30,420 Collins just from a like a psychological 3562 02:42:33,830 --> 02:42:32,160 perspective like what's going on there 3563 02:42:36,050 --> 02:42:33,840 that makes people want to be like that 3564 02:42:38,270 --> 02:42:36,060 you know it's just faith-based belief 3565 02:42:40,309 --> 02:42:38,280 system though it's a big universe and I 3566 02:42:43,130 --> 02:42:40,319 do think aliens are possible I just want 3567 02:42:45,110 --> 02:42:43,140 proof and to play with one maybe a nice 3568 02:42:46,849 --> 02:42:45,120 game of chess 3569 02:42:48,290 --> 02:42:46,859 well that'd be interesting first you'd 3570 02:42:49,910 --> 02:42:48,300 have to teach him to play chess because 3571 02:42:51,110 --> 02:42:49,920 I don't I doubt he would know how to 3572 02:42:53,330 --> 02:42:51,120 play chess 3573 02:42:55,730 --> 02:42:53,340 just not him other Pilots said the same 3574 02:42:57,830 --> 02:42:55,740 thing now the tech to place a square 3575 02:43:00,650 --> 02:42:57,840 balloon inside a transplant Ram balloon 3576 02:43:02,870 --> 02:43:00,660 exists yes there are radar targets 3577 02:43:04,969 --> 02:43:02,880 so I think those people saw radar 3578 02:43:07,670 --> 02:43:04,979 targets that's the that's Occam's razor 3579 02:43:09,590 --> 02:43:07,680 uh the the simplest explanation Richard 3580 02:43:12,110 --> 02:43:09,600 Warner is here and says most people 3581 02:43:15,050 --> 02:43:12,120 don't Stephen for they are indoctrinated 3582 02:43:16,490 --> 02:43:15,060 yeah very true and closer Klein says we 3583 02:43:18,349 --> 02:43:16,500 wouldn't need Mick West if they would 3584 02:43:21,410 --> 02:43:18,359 release the radar data 3585 02:43:23,270 --> 02:43:21,420 uh yeah that's that's a valid point but 3586 02:43:25,250 --> 02:43:23,280 remember that the that the garbage 3587 02:43:26,750 --> 02:43:25,260 Peddlers who were selling us that these 3588 02:43:28,730 --> 02:43:26,760 were aliens 3589 02:43:32,510 --> 02:43:28,740 uh 3590 02:43:34,070 --> 02:43:32,520 the radar data right they got the videos 3591 02:43:36,349 --> 02:43:34,080 why did they get the radar date if the 3592 02:43:38,570 --> 02:43:36,359 radar data exists instead we get excuses 3593 02:43:39,349 --> 02:43:38,580 right Men In Black stories all kinds of 3594 02:43:41,030 --> 02:43:39,359 stuff 3595 02:43:42,530 --> 02:43:41,040 the guy yesterday seemed very 3596 02:43:45,770 --> 02:43:42,540 indoctrinated 3597 02:43:47,929 --> 02:43:45,780 and perhaps I can send you a picture of 3598 02:43:50,750 --> 02:43:47,939 angel hair collected after two UFO 3599 02:43:53,330 --> 02:43:50,760 appeared yeah go ahead send it to me is 3600 02:43:55,370 --> 02:43:53,340 that that story of the guy who met these 3601 02:43:57,410 --> 02:43:55,380 two alien chicks and they did the 3602 02:44:00,349 --> 02:43:57,420 analysis or something 3603 02:44:02,690 --> 02:44:00,359 I would like to see that Richard uh 3604 02:44:04,550 --> 02:44:02,700 Brian verkler says I am interested in a 3605 02:44:07,849 --> 02:44:04,560 very small percentage of UFOs that even 3606 02:44:11,389 --> 02:44:07,859 science scratches their head at exactly 3607 02:44:14,090 --> 02:44:11,399 uh the great the late great Stanton 3608 02:44:16,370 --> 02:44:14,100 Friedman had a saying and that was he 3609 02:44:17,929 --> 02:44:16,380 was had this riff and I'm sorry I'm 3610 02:44:21,950 --> 02:44:17,939 going to paraphrase it badly but he 3611 02:44:23,450 --> 02:44:21,960 would say uh some uh reports of UFOs are 3612 02:44:24,469 --> 02:44:23,460 actually just balloons I don't care 3613 02:44:27,349 --> 02:44:24,479 about those 3614 02:44:30,110 --> 02:44:27,359 some reports of UFOs are actually just 3615 02:44:34,130 --> 02:44:30,120 misidentified aircrafts normal Earthly 3616 02:44:36,170 --> 02:44:34,140 aircraft helicopters gliders planes high 3617 02:44:39,530 --> 02:44:36,180 altitude balloons I don't care about any 3618 02:44:41,150 --> 02:44:39,540 of those some UFOs and reports of UFOs 3619 02:44:43,130 --> 02:44:41,160 are just weather balloons I don't care 3620 02:44:44,690 --> 02:44:43,140 about any of those some may be ball 3621 02:44:47,750 --> 02:44:44,700 lightning I don't care about any of 3622 02:44:50,690 --> 02:44:47,760 those I care about the ones that are 3623 02:44:53,210 --> 02:44:50,700 truly anomalous truly mysterious and 3624 02:44:57,110 --> 02:44:53,220 truly unexplained 3625 02:45:00,110 --> 02:44:57,120 he cared about the ones which may be 3626 02:45:02,809 --> 02:45:00,120 alien spacecraft 3627 02:45:05,330 --> 02:45:02,819 and that's what I care about same exact 3628 02:45:08,270 --> 02:45:05,340 thing I don't care about balloons we can 3629 02:45:09,770 --> 02:45:08,280 add because this is a riff of Stanton 3630 02:45:12,349 --> 02:45:09,780 Freeman's for many many years ago before 3631 02:45:14,090 --> 02:45:12,359 drones became so popular we can add I 3632 02:45:16,130 --> 02:45:14,100 don't care about drones don't care about 3633 02:45:17,330 --> 02:45:16,140 drones I don't care about kites with 3634 02:45:19,010 --> 02:45:17,340 lights on them I don't care about 3635 02:45:21,349 --> 02:45:19,020 Balloons with strings of lights on them 3636 02:45:23,750 --> 02:45:21,359 I don't care about flares I don't care 3637 02:45:24,910 --> 02:45:23,760 about any of those I care about the 3638 02:45:27,950 --> 02:45:24,920 truly 3639 02:45:31,370 --> 02:45:27,960 mysterious ones that cannot be so easily 3640 02:45:35,290 --> 02:45:31,380 explained right the ones that do exhibit 3641 02:45:39,590 --> 02:45:35,300 strange flight characteristics a lack of 3642 02:45:43,070 --> 02:45:39,600 uh visible propulsion system no sound 3643 02:45:44,330 --> 02:45:43,080 you know uh like what I experienced no 3644 02:45:47,870 --> 02:45:44,340 sound 3645 02:45:50,510 --> 02:45:47,880 no visible means of propulsion 3646 02:45:52,730 --> 02:45:50,520 uh I care about the truly mysterious 3647 02:45:56,090 --> 02:45:52,740 anomalous cases as well I don't care 3648 02:45:58,670 --> 02:45:56,100 about any of the other stuff and if if 3649 02:45:59,950 --> 02:45:58,680 I'm looking at something and believe it 3650 02:46:02,389 --> 02:45:59,960 maybe 3651 02:46:03,710 --> 02:46:02,399 paranormal or mysterious or alien 3652 02:46:06,170 --> 02:46:03,720 technology 3653 02:46:08,770 --> 02:46:06,180 and somebody else can prove that oh no 3654 02:46:11,630 --> 02:46:08,780 that's a glider Stephen or that's uh 3655 02:46:14,750 --> 02:46:11,640 skydivers with flares or whatever it is 3656 02:46:16,670 --> 02:46:14,760 if it's not what I want it to be I want 3657 02:46:19,510 --> 02:46:16,680 to know that and then we move on to the 3658 02:46:23,270 --> 02:46:19,520 next case okay no big mystery here was 3659 02:46:25,969 --> 02:46:23,280 skydivers with flares right 3660 02:46:28,730 --> 02:46:25,979 um and we move on to the next case those 3661 02:46:31,070 --> 02:46:28,740 are the ones that I truly care about 3662 02:46:32,570 --> 02:46:31,080 the pilots cannot release the radar data 3663 02:46:35,030 --> 02:46:32,580 but if the government wanted to settle 3664 02:46:36,889 --> 02:46:35,040 it they could but they didn't yeah I 3665 02:46:39,170 --> 02:46:36,899 mean 3666 02:46:41,450 --> 02:46:39,180 I think that they should release all of 3667 02:46:44,150 --> 02:46:41,460 the data that that belongs to all the 3668 02:46:46,490 --> 02:46:44,160 taxpayers on the same page what do you 3669 02:46:50,410 --> 02:46:46,500 think about Walter Bosley I like Walter 3670 02:46:53,450 --> 02:46:50,420 Bosley uh he's kind of gruff sometimes 3671 02:46:55,130 --> 02:46:53,460 yeah I I you Walter Bosley's funny 3672 02:46:58,570 --> 02:46:55,140 though sometimes he gets really mad at 3673 02:47:04,610 --> 02:47:01,309 I love Walter Bosley he writes some 3674 02:47:06,050 --> 02:47:04,620 interesting books uh yeah Walter Bosley 3675 02:47:07,190 --> 02:47:06,060 is one of the good guys though Amy 3676 02:47:09,349 --> 02:47:07,200 Collins one of the ones that are 3677 02:47:10,910 --> 02:47:09,359 reported less than one percent that are 3678 02:47:12,650 --> 02:47:10,920 unexplained and even with that there may 3679 02:47:14,929 --> 02:47:12,660 or may not be something that seems to 3680 02:47:17,389 --> 02:47:14,939 defy the laws of physics yeah I agree 3681 02:47:19,429 --> 02:47:17,399 the pilot said these radar targets were 3682 02:47:21,469 --> 02:47:19,439 there against the wind for hours longer 3683 02:47:25,309 --> 02:47:21,479 than they had fueled to fly 3684 02:47:27,170 --> 02:47:25,319 well uh yeah and I get that however you 3685 02:47:29,809 --> 02:47:27,180 know that Pilots get things wrong too 3686 02:47:32,510 --> 02:47:29,819 right they could be wrong 3687 02:47:35,270 --> 02:47:32,520 we have to see more data in order to 3688 02:47:36,830 --> 02:47:35,280 make a proper determination and until 3689 02:47:40,370 --> 02:47:36,840 then we're just spinning our Wheels 3690 02:47:44,750 --> 02:47:40,380 right I don't think that the Nimitz 3691 02:47:47,150 --> 02:47:44,760 encounter or the Tic Tac or the go fast 3692 02:47:49,130 --> 02:47:47,160 were anything extraordinary I don't 3693 02:47:50,389 --> 02:47:49,140 think it was anything alien I think it 3694 02:47:53,090 --> 02:47:50,399 was 3695 02:47:58,250 --> 02:47:56,210 a combination of factors 3696 02:48:02,870 --> 02:47:58,260 um you know 3697 02:48:06,710 --> 02:48:02,880 sensor data bad bad sensors 3698 02:48:09,110 --> 02:48:06,720 um you know a problem with just 3699 02:48:12,110 --> 02:48:09,120 perception of the pilot who thought he 3700 02:48:13,130 --> 02:48:12,120 saw something that wasn't really what he 3701 02:48:16,730 --> 02:48:13,140 saw 3702 02:48:19,130 --> 02:48:16,740 you know but who knows I hope that those 3703 02:48:21,230 --> 02:48:19,140 Mysteries are more adequate those three 3704 02:48:23,210 --> 02:48:21,240 I think those three have been explained 3705 02:48:25,250 --> 02:48:23,220 away as nothing extraordinary but I hope 3706 02:48:27,410 --> 02:48:25,260 that more data comes forward so that we 3707 02:48:29,870 --> 02:48:27,420 can definitively say like look 3708 02:48:34,070 --> 02:48:29,880 this was not what these people sold it 3709 02:48:35,750 --> 02:48:34,080 to us as 100 this is what it was 3710 02:48:37,610 --> 02:48:35,760 um and I'm hopeful that that will still 3711 02:48:39,590 --> 02:48:37,620 happen someday 3712 02:48:42,170 --> 02:48:39,600 um but the fact that so many people push 3713 02:48:43,910 --> 02:48:42,180 the go fast especially they called it go 3714 02:48:46,990 --> 02:48:43,920 fast it was going 40 miles an hour 3715 02:48:50,650 --> 02:48:47,000 that'll tell you something about how 3716 02:48:53,330 --> 02:48:50,660 lots of things are are you know 3717 02:48:56,330 --> 02:48:53,340 massaging the data and being deceptive 3718 02:49:00,950 --> 02:48:56,340 in order to sell a story that's not 3719 02:49:02,330 --> 02:49:00,960 quite what we're we're being told it is 3720 02:49:04,910 --> 02:49:02,340 um 3721 02:49:07,190 --> 02:49:04,920 yeah so I hope that helps we have done 3722 02:49:08,330 --> 02:49:07,200 our due diligence for the week four not 3723 02:49:10,130 --> 02:49:08,340 three so we're supposed to do three 3724 02:49:12,349 --> 02:49:10,140 shows a week we did an extra one by the 3725 02:49:14,990 --> 02:49:12,359 way thanks for everybody for the well 3726 02:49:18,889 --> 02:49:15,000 wishes for the one million views 3727 02:49:21,170 --> 02:49:18,899 we will be uh 3728 02:49:24,170 --> 02:49:21,180 back from the cabin and we've got these 3729 02:49:26,030 --> 02:49:24,180 three premieres coming up uh we thank 3730 02:49:28,370 --> 02:49:26,040 all of you for your kindness generosity 3731 02:49:30,469 --> 02:49:28,380 and support we want to thank you twitch 3732 02:49:32,830 --> 02:49:30,479 subscribers we want to thank you YouTube 3733 02:49:36,349 --> 02:49:32,840 channel members we want to thank you 3734 02:49:39,950 --> 02:49:36,359 patreon supporters you Super Chat uh 3735 02:49:41,750 --> 02:49:39,960 friends at Super sticker and super 3736 02:49:43,309 --> 02:49:41,760 thanks people as well I know it's an 3737 02:49:45,050 --> 02:49:43,319 uptick and I just want to take a moment 3738 02:49:47,030 --> 02:49:45,060 to thank all of you people who send a 3739 02:49:48,410 --> 02:49:47,040 super thanks for those unaware that's 3740 02:49:50,210 --> 02:49:48,420 like sending a super chat but you could 3741 02:49:52,250 --> 02:49:50,220 do it after the show just hit that 3742 02:49:53,990 --> 02:49:52,260 thanks button and you can throw a couple 3743 02:49:56,389 --> 02:49:54,000 bucks in our hat if you enjoy the 3744 02:49:59,210 --> 02:49:56,399 content that we create here 3745 02:50:01,550 --> 02:49:59,220 so uh we have done our due diligence we 3746 02:50:03,290 --> 02:50:01,560 thank our chat room moderators Mr Ian 3747 02:50:05,270 --> 02:50:03,300 the man with the golden voice and spooky 3748 02:50:06,770 --> 02:50:05,280 as well and we thank all of you for 3749 02:50:09,170 --> 02:50:06,780 joining us I especially want to thank 3750 02:50:11,510 --> 02:50:09,180 tonight's excellent guest I I already 3751 02:50:14,150 --> 02:50:11,520 can't wait to have him back here Mr Jack 3752 02:50:15,950 --> 02:50:14,160 Brewer uh excellent author and 3753 02:50:18,950 --> 02:50:15,960 researcher I can't tell you how much I 3754 02:50:20,450 --> 02:50:18,960 recommend the nycat book that he wrote I 3755 02:50:23,929 --> 02:50:20,460 thoroughly enjoyed it it's kind of like 3756 02:50:28,250 --> 02:50:23,939 part spy novel part government 3757 02:50:30,770 --> 02:50:28,260 corruption novel part UFO story 3758 02:50:32,990 --> 02:50:30,780 all the things I love in one book I 3759 02:50:35,870 --> 02:50:33,000 highly recommend that as well as his 3760 02:50:37,370 --> 02:50:35,880 website the links is are in the 3761 02:50:39,290 --> 02:50:37,380 description of the video you can follow 3762 02:50:41,110 --> 02:50:39,300 them on Twitter you can buy his books on 3763 02:50:44,330 --> 02:50:41,120 Amazon and you can visit his website 3764 02:50:46,490 --> 02:50:44,340 expandingfrontiers research and we thank 3765 02:50:49,670 --> 02:50:46,500 him for his participation hope he'll be 3766 02:50:54,530 --> 02:50:49,680 back soon excellent conversation 3767 02:50:56,389 --> 02:50:54,540 so we've done our due diligence and uh I 3768 02:50:59,690 --> 02:50:56,399 I'm not quite sure we'll be back 3769 02:51:02,150 --> 02:50:59,700 tomorrow at 4 P.M with the premiere uh 3770 02:51:03,950 --> 02:51:02,160 then we'll be back Friday at 10 p.m with 3771 02:51:06,770 --> 02:51:03,960 a Premiere and then we'll be back 3772 02:51:08,570 --> 02:51:06,780 Saturday at 10 p.m with the premiere and 3773 02:51:11,210 --> 02:51:08,580 we we'll see if I can't pull something 3774 02:51:13,910 --> 02:51:11,220 out uh you know pull rabbit out of my 3775 02:51:16,250 --> 02:51:13,920 hat remember I used to do that we'll see 3776 02:51:19,550 --> 02:51:16,260 if we can't pull something out of the 3777 02:51:24,050 --> 02:51:19,560 archives or uh maybe finish some project 3778 02:51:27,889 --> 02:51:24,060 for a Sunday night Premiere as well 3779 02:51:29,690 --> 02:51:27,899 um so what else can I say we have had uh 3780 02:51:31,849 --> 02:51:29,700 it's been a crazy week all this 3781 02:51:32,870 --> 02:51:31,859 whistleblower stuff and Greer stuff all 3782 02:51:36,830 --> 02:51:32,880 at once 3783 02:51:40,130 --> 02:51:36,840 it's been a little wacky but I I like 3784 02:51:41,929 --> 02:51:40,140 wacky Week full stuff going on and I 3785 02:51:43,730 --> 02:51:41,939 hope next week will be eventful as well 3786 02:51:46,309 --> 02:51:43,740 we'll be here to cover it I hope you'll 3787 02:51:48,349 --> 02:51:46,319 be here with us so that's all we got for 3788 02:51:50,510 --> 02:51:48,359 you friends until next time my name is 3789 02:52:10,190 --> 02:51:50,520 Stephen cambian good night and God bless 3790 02:52:10,200 --> 02:52:20,970 foreign 3791 02:52:44,430 --> 02:52:42,410 [Music] 3792 02:53:12,030 --> 02:52:44,440 foreign 3793 02:53:21,110 --> 02:53:16,250 [Music] 3794 02:53:21,120 --> 02:53:25,840 foreign 3795 02:53:49,280 --> 02:53:46,690 [Music] 3796 02:54:23,090 --> 02:53:49,290 thank you 3797 02:54:23,100 --> 02:54:48,110 [Music] 3798 02:54:48,120 --> 02:54:54,760 foreign 3799 02:55:08,030 --> 02:55:02,920 [Music] 3800 02:55:09,769 --> 02:55:08,040 song that can bring us all together heal 3801 02:55:12,530 --> 02:55:09,779 our hearts 3802 02:55:15,370 --> 02:55:12,540 but in times like these we might need a 3803 02:55:22,150 --> 02:55:19,670 I still want to learn to play piano I 3804 02:55:25,570 --> 02:55:22,160 could be practicing every day 3805 02:55:30,050 --> 02:55:25,580 I keep saying I'd love to start running 3806 02:55:32,750 --> 02:55:30,060 I'd be in shape if I had my way but 3807 02:55:34,969 --> 02:55:32,760 there were always aliens to think about 3808 02:55:37,030 --> 02:55:34,979 illuminate 3809 02:55:40,610 --> 02:55:37,040 State 3810 02:55:44,750 --> 02:55:40,620 Chemtrails poisoning the populace no use 3811 02:55:47,090 --> 02:55:44,760 trying it's much too late big Croc 3812 02:55:50,410 --> 02:55:47,100 conspiracy wacko [\h__\h] 3813 02:55:54,550 --> 02:55:50,420 [Music] 3814 02:55:58,570 --> 02:55:54,560 deadlock truth I never will admit 3815 02:56:00,980 --> 02:55:58,580 it's only an excuse to quit 3816 02:56:04,190 --> 02:56:00,990 conspiracy wacko [\h__\h] 3817 02:56:07,110 --> 02:56:04,200 [Music] 3818 02:56:17,990 --> 02:56:07,120 foreign 3819 02:56:23,870 --> 02:56:20,889 dark side of the internet 3820 02:56:28,309 --> 02:56:23,880 I might have liked to drive across 3821 02:56:29,030 --> 02:56:28,319 America camping out in the old RV I'm 3822 02:56:36,170 --> 02:56:29,040 too 3823 02:56:39,350 --> 02:56:36,180 I'll hack my brain with a new 5G big 3824 02:56:42,429 --> 02:56:39,360 Croc conspiracy wacko [\h__\h] 3825 02:56:46,630 --> 02:56:42,439 [Music] 3826 02:56:54,740 --> 02:56:46,640 deadlock the truth I never will admit 3827 02:56:54,750 --> 02:56:59,349 [Music] 3828 02:57:07,309 --> 02:57:03,429 fist clenched strangling my iPad 3829 02:57:10,790 --> 02:57:07,319 apocalyptically entertained I'm sweat 3830 02:57:13,849 --> 02:57:10,800 drenched paranoid it's this bad pure 3831 02:57:17,860 --> 02:57:13,859 adrenaline in my veins 3832 02:57:19,990 --> 02:57:17,870 star finally see I have no choices 3833 02:57:24,170 --> 02:57:20,000 [Music] 3834 02:57:26,830 --> 02:57:24,180 cause everyone's controlled by the Deep 3835 02:57:31,980 --> 02:57:30,830 as long as we believe in un 3836 02:57:33,290 --> 02:57:31,990 foresated 3837 02:57:35,870 --> 02:57:33,300 [Music] 3838 02:57:39,110 --> 02:57:35,880 never even tried 3839 02:57:41,170 --> 02:57:39,120 to change Our Fate 3840 02:57:46,140 --> 02:57:41,180 [Music] 3841 02:57:48,550 --> 02:57:46,150 big Croc conspiracy and wack of [\h__\h] 3842 02:57:52,570 --> 02:57:48,560 [Music] 3843 02:57:56,469 --> 02:57:52,580 deadlock a truth I never will admit 3844 02:57:59,330 --> 02:57:56,479 it's only an excuse to quit 3845 02:58:03,130 --> 02:57:59,340 conspiracy or whack ocean 3846 02:58:06,420 --> 02:58:03,140 [\h__\h] it's only an excuse to quit 3847 02:58:14,330 --> 02:58:06,430 conspiracy whack oceans 3848 02:58:14,340 --> 02:58:33,210 yeah I feel better I hope you do